ext_370466 ([identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2011-07-07 02:48 pm
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Even more Wankery that we find acceptable...



While I generally disagree with his politics I think Mr. Savage raises an excellent point.

Now consider this...

Bill Maher and NYT's David Carr the "Middle Places" and "Low-Sloping Foreheads".

I apologise for linking as I seem to be having trouble embedding the video.

Now I would assume that both men in the second video consider themselves to be reasonably intelligent and enlightened men. If accused of being racist or bigoted I would imagine that they would be properly offended.

Which is why I'm going to ask an uncomfortable question, why is it ok to disparage one socio-political/ethnic class as stupid, dangerous, useless, ect... but not another. Would his comments have been more or less offensive had he been talking about "Fags" "Twats" "Spics" "Wops" "Chinks" or *Gasp* "N*ggers"?

Discuss.

[identity profile] rasilio.livejournal.com 2011-07-08 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
No it is not and I can prove it.

I challenge you to believe that the opposite of what your current beliefs regarding the existence of a diety for 30 minutes.

Not to think about it, to to say you believe it, but to actually believe it.

The fact we we do not have very much if any conscious control over what we believe and to the extent that we can control it generally takes years to decades of "faking" it before we really change our thought processes with no guarantee during that time that we will ultimately be successful

[identity profile] bikinisquad3000.livejournal.com 2011-07-08 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my, no, that's not how it works. One's beliefs aren't changed simply by deciding to change them; you need some new information from an outside source to convince you that you were incorrect earlier. Asking someone to change their beliefs by sheer act of will, without any info they didn't have before you asked, only proves that that's not the way to do it.

We absolutely have conscious control over whether we willingly risk challenging our beliefs by seeking out more information on Subject X and considering it seriously, or decide instead to ignore or reject anything that might shake our current convictions.