ext_370466 ([identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2011-07-07 02:48 pm
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Even more Wankery that we find acceptable...



While I generally disagree with his politics I think Mr. Savage raises an excellent point.

Now consider this...

Bill Maher and NYT's David Carr the "Middle Places" and "Low-Sloping Foreheads".

I apologise for linking as I seem to be having trouble embedding the video.

Now I would assume that both men in the second video consider themselves to be reasonably intelligent and enlightened men. If accused of being racist or bigoted I would imagine that they would be properly offended.

Which is why I'm going to ask an uncomfortable question, why is it ok to disparage one socio-political/ethnic class as stupid, dangerous, useless, ect... but not another. Would his comments have been more or less offensive had he been talking about "Fags" "Twats" "Spics" "Wops" "Chinks" or *Gasp* "N*ggers"?

Discuss.

[identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com 2011-07-08 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
There's no reason that a redneck couldn't be black. Well except maybe the huge amount of racism and xenophobia inherent in the tradition. That probably reduces the number a bit.

[identity profile] prog-expat.livejournal.com 2011-07-08 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
I'm going to have to ask for a citation on that, because I know that the term was coined to specifically refer to poor, rural whites, and I've never seen it used in a context that would suggest the meaning has changed.

[identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com 2011-07-08 01:56 am (UTC)(link)
Its a style that people insult. Its not really anybody who is poor and rural and white. Just like the example of the black guy I posted. A blingin' ghetto gangster is most likely going to be black, but its the style that people are insulting, not anybody who is poor, urban, and black.

[identity profile] prog-expat.livejournal.com 2011-07-08 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
I stand corrected. I did the Google search and there are indeed black rednecks. (I already knew there white gangstas.) BTW, for those watching from home, I don't recommend that particular image search at work, unless your boss is OK with your screen being flooded with lots of interracial porn.

[identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com 2011-07-08 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
No one would ever call a black person a redneck. Go on and see what happens if you called them that. They'd probably reply "but I'm not white".

[identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com 2011-07-08 04:26 am (UTC)(link)
I'm going to trust your judgement, given that you're from the culture and all, but as an outsider it always struck me that the key thing about rednecks was rural, not white. Contrast that with "nigger" which gets used outside of its traditional culture to refer to black people in any context.

Can you see the difference?



Umm... FTR do NOT do a GIS for black redneck without safe search on...