http://green-man-2010.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] green-man-2010.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2011-03-19 11:49 pm
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The Allies go in !

Pardon me for posting - but this is exciting news !!!

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/US-Allies-Attack-Libya-118304704.html

The airstrikes have gone in against Libya. For once, the UK, USa and the rest of the world seem to be doing the right thing. I was shocked when i heard that cameron had tried to get the SAS involved in Libya. I want to make it clear that I have never liked Gaddaffi , even if I had never posted on that subject until recently in this forum. Iin fact, i don't like the idea of any dictator oppressing their own people and getting backing from the business community to do so.

So, to herar that the Libyan rebels are getting air support and even air strikes against gaddaffian positions is welcome news.

I just hope it isn't too late. governments never do this sort of thing without wantng some kind of pay back. i still hope that there will be free elections in libya, and that this will mean more demands for freedom there and elsewhere and not a rolling back of freedom to secure ' national interests'.

ii don't want gaddaffi replaced by a puppet of UK or US choosing , I want the Libyans to be able to set their own course as a nation . And if that means that we in the west have to lower our dependence on foriegn oil, so be it.

but we must ask ourselves -
what is the UN for?
if we don't want the USA to be the world's policeman , who else is up for the job ?
how can the democratic voters in democratic nations secure the freedoms of everyone - for untill we are all free, no one really is.

I am overjoyed, not in the death and destruction that now rains down upon Gaddaffis henchmen, but the opportunity that this may open up for democracy and freedom in a land that has been denied it for so long. wee are going in on the terms asked, the only terms the libyan opposition wants. I hope that they will have enough space to build their own nation on their own terms as a result.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42164455/ns/world_news-mideast/n_africa/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12776418

[identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com 2011-03-20 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
and half the time what we do has horrible unforseen consequences.

I'd venture with a guess that this is mostly a result of a mix of...
1) ignorance about a world that is a considerably more complex place than your strategists imagine it to be
2) cultural arrogance stemming from the relatively fresh and inexperienced history and such blablabla
3) the fact that you don't go policing just for the sake of people's freedom-and-democracy, but as it appears (and often happens to be proven by evidence), in pursuit of strictly selfish interests

So, better take that in consideration the next time you decide to impose Freedom on somebody.

[identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com 2011-03-20 02:32 am (UTC)(link)
So, better take that in consideration the next time you decide to impose Freedom on somebody.
She isn't French. This is the best part about Western relations really. Do things and blame it on America.

[identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com 2011-03-20 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
Or instead of whining about it, call things with their names and move on.
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[identity profile] okmewriting.livejournal.com 2011-03-20 06:18 am (UTC)(link)
I think we're too busy being upset with our own governments, thanks.

[identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com 2011-03-20 11:57 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, always scratch the surface and never go down. There are ghosts in there. ;)
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[identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com 2011-03-20 01:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Then Drill Baby Drill.

[identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com 2011-03-20 12:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey. Let us have our brief France/Britain-bashing moment. We'll turn back to America soon after that. :-P