http://green-man-2010.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] green-man-2010.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2011-03-19 11:49 pm
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The Allies go in !

Pardon me for posting - but this is exciting news !!!

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/US-Allies-Attack-Libya-118304704.html

The airstrikes have gone in against Libya. For once, the UK, USa and the rest of the world seem to be doing the right thing. I was shocked when i heard that cameron had tried to get the SAS involved in Libya. I want to make it clear that I have never liked Gaddaffi , even if I had never posted on that subject until recently in this forum. Iin fact, i don't like the idea of any dictator oppressing their own people and getting backing from the business community to do so.

So, to herar that the Libyan rebels are getting air support and even air strikes against gaddaffian positions is welcome news.

I just hope it isn't too late. governments never do this sort of thing without wantng some kind of pay back. i still hope that there will be free elections in libya, and that this will mean more demands for freedom there and elsewhere and not a rolling back of freedom to secure ' national interests'.

ii don't want gaddaffi replaced by a puppet of UK or US choosing , I want the Libyans to be able to set their own course as a nation . And if that means that we in the west have to lower our dependence on foriegn oil, so be it.

but we must ask ourselves -
what is the UN for?
if we don't want the USA to be the world's policeman , who else is up for the job ?
how can the democratic voters in democratic nations secure the freedoms of everyone - for untill we are all free, no one really is.

I am overjoyed, not in the death and destruction that now rains down upon Gaddaffis henchmen, but the opportunity that this may open up for democracy and freedom in a land that has been denied it for so long. wee are going in on the terms asked, the only terms the libyan opposition wants. I hope that they will have enough space to build their own nation on their own terms as a result.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42164455/ns/world_news-mideast/n_africa/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12776418

[identity profile] box-in-the-box.livejournal.com 2011-03-20 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, this is an excellent idea, because our country always benefits when we take military action against Middle Eastern nations. It's kind of like the logic that says that sticking your dick in a nest of hornets is a good thing, because their stings will swell up your weiner and make it even bigger to impress the ladies.

Fun quote from the L.A. Times: (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/sc-dc-0320-us-military-libya-20110319,0,7579064.story)
While President Obama has emphasized that American forces would play a subordinate role in enforcing the no-fly zone over Libya, the Pentagon said the U.S. had to lead the operation in its early days because it has the greatest capability to destroy Kadafi's air defenses, a key prerequisite to taking control of Libya's airspace.

Once that portion of the mission is accomplished, international partners led by France, the United Kingdom and Arab partners will enforce the no-fly zone, U.S. officials said.
In other words, we're only being expected to take charge of all this shit NOW, but once everything gets SETTLED, everyone ELSE will step in to take over the heavy lifting from us.

On the K-Box Index of Unbelievably Bullshit Claims, this hits the scale somewhere between when Steve Jobs was still insisting that he would only be the "Interim" CEO of Apple and college douchebros who tell girls they've just met at parties that they'll only put the HEAD in.

[identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com 2011-03-20 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
Any day now, Afghanistan will have a modern army, and the NATO coalition partners will take principal roles in operations.

Or not. You know. They can send some guys to stand in the situation room or something.

[identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com 2011-03-20 02:23 am (UTC)(link)
If they could please make a map like this (http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/images/2008/02/06/john_king_on_cnn_primary_election_c.jpg) about the Libyan tribes, i'd start watching CNN again...

(or maybe not)

[identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com 2011-03-20 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
I'm really pissed at the American media right now. Nobody is even talking about how this is a tribal conflict and we're backing Horse A over Horse B and then what?

I know what!

A UN Political Task Force For Not Determining The Political Structure of Libya and Certainly Not Getting Involved.

[identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com 2011-03-20 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
Look, if there's one thing i've learned over the years about US politics, its this one basic rule:

Every US president must have their war, period.

Bush Sr had Iraq v.1.0. Clinton had Serbia. Bush Jr had Afghanistan + Iraq v.2.0 (one war for each term). Obama has a nice array of choices right now. Libya looks like a good candidate to be "his" war.

Cant let history be turned on its head, okay? Or else the world could end in 2012.

[identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com 2011-03-20 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
Don't pin this all on the US buddy. Europe doesn't get to tinker around and act like it's Those Damn Americans.

[identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com 2011-03-20 02:41 am (UTC)(link)
No, i agree. In fact i'm liking Obama this time. He's all like: "Okay whiners, now do this yourself and i'll sit here with hands crossed and laugh atcha". He's my hero right now!

(Well except for those 110 Tomahawks but cmon, thats just a heap of ferrous metals, come to think of it)

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2011-03-20 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
What did Gerald Ford do, then?

[identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com 2011-03-20 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
Was too busy dodging assassination attempts, sorry about that.

[identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com 2011-03-20 02:52 am (UTC)(link)
You do sound pissed. May I offer a

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