ext_306469 ([identity profile] paft.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2011-03-01 11:21 am
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Dick Morris Comes Out and Says It

Dick Morris on Sean Hannity, 2/28/11:

We may at long last have a way to liberate our nation from the domination of those who should be our public servants but instead are frequently our union masters and free our politics from their financial power…What is at stake here really is freeing our schools so that we could keep good teachers and fire bad ones, freeing our state government so we don’t have high local taxes (and exactly how are those good teachers going to be paid?) and obliterating the financial power base of the Democratic Party.




The money quote is underlined above. This attack on collective bargaining is not about helping kids. It’s about establishing what amounts to a one-party system. Eliminate the power of unions and the G.O.P., with its corporate backing, gets to run things pretty much unopposed.

These people do not grasp the most basic principle of an open society – equal access to the political process as a voter and as a candidate.

Crossposted from Thoughtcrimes

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[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com 2011-03-01 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
The facts speak for themselves, here. Not that you're providing much either.

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2011-03-01 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
On the contrary, I can provide them when asked. Whenever you do, you resort to passive-aggressiveness and 10,000 excuses as to why answering simple questions is impossible, before eventually deciding to flounce instead of dealing with the meanies.

[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com 2011-03-01 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Flounce? lol, certainly not my style.

So do you have anything to refute the facts on the ground, or is this another "I can't come up with anything, so I have to go after debate style instead" type thing?

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2011-03-02 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
That's not up to me to do here. I'm simply noting that your discussion with Luvdovz is the classic "that's not what X says." To which someone asks "Well, what does X say?" and you respond either "that's not what X says" or "let someone else say it because the environment here is too hostile for me to answer" *or* "it's self-evident".

[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com 2011-03-02 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
If it's not up for you to do here, then, well, don't do it?

[identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com 2011-03-02 01:57 pm (UTC)(link)
o do you have anything to refute the facts on the ground, or is this another "I can't come up with anything, so I have to go after debate style instead" type thing?

Oh please, like you can fucking talk. I have never seen you provide a citation for when you say something is wrong. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Nothing. EVER. It's always:

- "That's not what it means." without ever saying what it DOES mean, as it "should be obvious"
- Some variant of "You're interrogating the text from the wrong perspective."
- "Nobody could ever think that way." or "No one could be that evil.", never mind that history is FULL of the myriad examples of yes, people are not just that evil, but even more fucking evil, and outweigh the 'good' in history. No, according to you conservatives and libertarians are saints and blessed men, possessed of nothing but the purest of motives and greatest of intentions. Liberals? Misguided, wrong individuals who can't think straight.

And that's why I hope that someday you suffer an apocalypse of the soul, one that strips your beliefs and fundamental precepts and shows them to be wrong, that your idols are foul and corrupt, that everything you thought you knew was wrong. In fact, if someone paid me, I'd pull it off.

[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com 2011-03-02 03:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh please, like you can fucking talk. I have never seen you provide a citation for when you say something is wrong. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Nothing. EVER. It's always:

Then you haven't been paying attention.

[identity profile] farchivist.livejournal.com 2011-03-02 03:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I've paid plenty. You don't provide citations of any factual merit. You can't even offer a link where you did. You never offer historical examples, statistics, assertions from authorities on the subject in question, or anything else that would stand up in a paper or your basic academic opinion piece. You treat politics, one of the most important subjects of humankind, the one thing that makes civilization possible, with flippancy, when every discussion should be as gravely discussed as if someone was holding a gun to your head. It's disgusting.

[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com 2011-03-02 05:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Your fantasy has been duly noted. I hope you pay closer attention in the future.

[identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com 2011-03-02 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
No he's not very effective.