A follow up to an earlier post:

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

So this is what being interested in the deficit and cutting taxes looks like, eh? Seems to me more that the Tea Party is Christian Right politics with a thin Fiscal Conservative veneer:

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2011/02/montana-bill-to-ban-all-local-lgbt_23.html

http://www.salon.com/news/islam/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/02/23/tennessee_islam_law_felony_bill

And can anyone answer me how this remotely is compatible with Lawrence v. Texas? I thought Tea Partiers were also about defending Law and Order and Society As It Is? To me, this is just one of many examples of how the "Tea Party" is nothing but a front for the religious politicians of the Republican Party. Oh, and as to the second article: how does making Shariah Law a felony reduce the deficit and shrink government? I thought Supply-Side was Voodoo Economics, this type of deficit reduction is even harder to understand.

But if we take Tea Partiers at their word, and they are nothing but honest and honorable people, they are always about the deficit. When it's:

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/indiana-official-jeff-cox-live-ammunition-against-wisconsin-protesters

This it's always about the deficit.

When it's advocating that President Obama is not a US citizen, it's always about the deficit, for Tea Partiers are nothing but honest and honorable people and when they say it's all about the deficit, surely we should believe such honest defenders of the US as it is, the Constitution as it was:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/01/26/83026/tea-party-birthers-movements-somewhat.html

http://teapartynationalism.com/the-blogbri-news-updates-and-morei/item/131-tea-party-nation-founder-declares-himself-a-birther

When it's condemning something their own children are involved as re-education camps, it's all about the deficit and reducing spending, for Tea Partiers are honorable and honest people, and they would never say anything but honest and honorable things:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/michele-bachmanns-son-joins-group-she-once-called-a-re-education-camp/

So yes, the Tea Party *is* all about the cutting the deficit and less spending, and somehow, in some way these brave champions of White League thuggishness freedom and justice for all will reduce the Federal budget to an entirely balanced and well-founded fiscal base, and belief that the President is not a citizen, that live ammo should be used on strikers, that Shariah law should be a felony, and eliminating all the progress (however slow and halting it's been) for LGBQTI individuals since the 1970s will make the US Budget balanced.

Oh, and it might good to remember who the father of the Tea Party's sugar daddies was:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30065386/Fred-C-Koch-Going-Off-On-A-Bircher-Rant-Newspaper-Clipping-1964

There is indeed nothing new under the Sun.

Comments

[rasilio.livejournal.com]

Link #1 = Sorry can't review blogspot is blocked at work but a persons blog is hardly a solid reference

Link #2 = Failed to prove that this has any support from any member of the Tea Party. The term Tea Party was never mentioned in either the link


Link #3 = Failed to prove that this guy is even a member of the Tea Parties or that his views are representative of them. In fact once again the words "Tea Party" did not appear in the article. Further it was on his private twitter account where he expressed his personal opinion, he was not speaking in his official capacity as a state employee.


Link #4 = OMFG a link which actually uses the term "Tea Party" Unfortunately once again it fails to show what you claim it shows. See you think it says "All Tea Partiers are raving Birthers" when all it really says is "Birther sentiments are more common with those who generally agree with the Tea Parties". It also does not in any way say or imply that ANY actual Tea Party members consider the issue of where Obama was born tbe be of greater importance than the size and cost of government so you still fail.


Link #5 = Jesus Hallelujah you actually hit the mark. Here is a single actual Tea Party member who actually admits to holding birther views (but even he admits Obama was born in Hawaii) This still does not in any prove your point that The Tea Parties are not really concerned with economic issues and the size of the government because you do realize it is possible for people to believe the completely unrelated things at the same time right?

And sorry but I gotta cut it off right there as I have to run to a HOA meeting.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

In other words "The Tea Party means only what I want it to mean, nothing more and nothing less and by God nothing consistent."

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

It certainly doesn't mean what you want it to mean, that much is obvious.

[mijopo.livejournal.com]

Well, I'd think that if you're going to make claims about what the Tea Party claims, you'd at least try to show some kind of evidence that the persons of whom you're speaking actually belong to the Tea Party. As rasilio observes, link 2 and 3 make no mention of the Tea Party so seems you're rushing to conclusions or at least not sharing all your evidence with us.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

The problem is that even were I to show this evidence, Rasilio and Gunslnger would play the No True Glaswegian game either way.

But this is classic Tea Party Godwin's Law Talking Points right here:

[mijopo.livejournal.com]

Well, even if you were right, I don't think Rasilio and Gunslnger are the only ones who'd appreciate a bit more evidence than what you've presented here.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

That doesn't matter with 'Slnger. I've presented him with actual evidence and even with common knowledge and he's rejected it before.

Rasilio's a little different. 'Slnger, like the guy who flounced a post or two down, rejects reality when it's convenient for him to do so. Even when reality arguably is just itself, without a liberal or conservative bias.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

LOL. You haven't at all. But whatever.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

You mean where I pointed out the obvious, that the Confederacy was never a recognized state and you claimed that it was one, which was patently untrue even at the time? Not to mention when you used a tabloid to "prove" the POTUS is not a US citizen.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

I didn't make either of those claims, you just thought that's what I was claiming. Same as how you think the Tea Party is something that isn't related to what the people in the Tea Party know it is.

[jerseycajun.livejournal.com]

You haven't exactly applied critical thinking skills in making your case from those links meaning what you say they mean any more than Glenn Beck does to support his by taking a-little-bit-from-here, and a-little-bit-from-there, and voila! The horror! THE HORROR!

You even have a bit of his flair for the hyperbole.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

The man's own words are right out of Glenn Beck's distorted ideas of what unions actually do.

Bill Ketron's policies are also right in line with the rest of the Tea Party's ideas and their fear of Shariah in non-existent Texas Towns. Unlike Glenn Beck I can actually provide inductive reasoning instead of asspulls to justify what I say. Sometimes even deductive reasoning.

[jerseycajun.livejournal.com]

Yet, I have my own encounters with actual members of the Tea Party who have never mentioned these issues at all in the course of political conversations. If these messages are somehow directly connected to the Tea Party in general, they're doing a lousy job in diseminating it or influencing their base to do the same, from my own experience.

Glenn Beck takes quote-pulls from successive video clips of those belonging to groups he opposes, and forms his theories on them in almost the exact same way that you've been doing here. So if you're actually better at using reasoning, deductive or inductive, than he is, I suggest you start demonstrating it, because the error in rhetorical tactics appear to be identical.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Where in my contrary anecdotes I live in the Deep South, where a lot of people see Obama as Hitler *and* Stalin when they don't see him as the Antichrist.

[jerseycajun.livejournal.com]

Wow, it's like you live in a state that's only about an hour from where I live.

I know those people exist. I know others too. Show me something which I can attach actual meaning to.

[jerseycajun.livejournal.com]

And in no way am I denying that the Tea Party has crazies, and that some percentage of the people that it helped get elected share some of the craziness as well. Throwing a spotlight on the crazy isn't illuminating. Illuminating with daylight, showing everything at once (either through statistical or other more rigorous analysis) would actually have some meaning attached which would be more persuasive.

[anfalicious.livejournal.com]

I concur, this post is pretty weak sauce.

UL, I hope you are more stringent with your critical analysis of evidence when coming to the Historical conclusions that you're so certain about.