ext_90803 ([identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2010-08-24 08:19 pm
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How to Fix What Ails Us

Intel's CEO, Paul Otellini, had some fairly harsh words for the folks in power this week:

Otellini singled out the political state of affairs in Democrat-dominated Washington, saying: "I think this group does not understand what it takes to create jobs. And I think they're flummoxed by their experiment in Keynesian economics not working."

Since an unusually sharp downturn accelerated in late 2008, the Obama administration and its allies in the U.S. Congress have enacted trillions in deficit spending they say will create an economic stimulus -- but have not extended the Bush tax cuts and have pushed to levy extensive new health care and carbon regulations on businesses.

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As a result, he said, "every business in America has a list of more variables than I've ever seen in my career." If variables like capital gains taxes and the R&D tax credit are resolved correctly, jobs will stay here, but if politicians make decisions "the wrong way, people will not invest in the United States. They'll invest elsewhere."

Take factories. "I can tell you definitively that it costs $1 billion more per factory for me to build, equip, and operate a semiconductor manufacturing facility in the United States," Otellini said.
The rub: Ninety percent of that additional cost of a $4 billion factory is not labor but the cost to comply with taxes and regulations that other nations don't impose. (Cypress Semiconductor CEO T.J. Rodgers elaborated on this in an interview with CNET, saying the problem is not higher U.S. wages but anti-business laws: "The killer factor in California for a manufacturer to create, say, a thousand blue-collar jobs is a hostile government that doesn't want you there and demonstrates it in thousands of ways.")

"If our tax rate approached that of the rest of the world, corporations would have an incentive to invest here," Otellini said. But instead, it's the second highest in the industrialized world, making the United States a less attractive place to invest--and create jobs--than places in Europe and Asia that are "clamoring" for Intel's business.


This is similar, as CNet reports, to what Carly Fiorina had to say on the matter, with the difference being that Otenelli isn't running for office. But clearly the business class is less concerned about speaking up right now.

We do need to think ahead to what's going to fix the problems, though. "Unexpectedly," unemployment claims are increasing again, home sales are in decline, and the stimulus, which was supposed to save us all, has "done exactly as we expected it to", which is to mean not performed as intended at all.

So let's see - we have a failed stimulus, a looming tax hike, new costs associated with health care and financial reforms, and businesses are not spending money in anticipation of this uncertainty. What's the way out? How do we fix this problem? Where do we go from here?

[identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com 2010-08-25 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
OK.....however it may not be relevant on a National Scale, but it sure has played havoc with our state budget; well that and our generous state legislature.

[identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com 2010-08-25 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
I'm pretty sure the citizens of California screwed up their own budget.

Got me there!

[identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com 2010-08-25 08:42 pm (UTC)(link)
The collective we of the state are responsible for the idiots in Sacramento that make the budget.
This is why I live where I do, a relatively small city (130+K) that manages to balance its budget every year without raising taxes. The schols are not bad and the library is open 7 days a week (that's county, but our county is pretty well balanced too.

[identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com 2010-08-25 03:18 am (UTC)(link)
no, your citizens refusing to pay for necessary services -- and Enron -- are what screwed California.

[identity profile] 404.livejournal.com 2010-08-25 01:11 pm (UTC)(link)
California is the 8th highest taxed state in the Union. No wonder tax payers are fleeing to states like Nevada and Colorado.

[identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com 2010-08-25 02:39 pm (UTC)(link)
people are fleeing because California cannot provide proper services, because it is restricted from raising the money it needs.

[identity profile] 404.livejournal.com 2010-08-25 02:43 pm (UTC)(link)
It couldn't be that they already are being taxed out of their mind, and not getting any real tangible results from it? Not in [livejournal.com profile] dwer's world, where the government is entitled to all our money and to disagree is tantamount to drowning kittens.

[identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com 2010-08-25 02:52 pm (UTC)(link)
it's funny, because all I really want is to raise the top tax rate to 39%. But, you know. Hyperbolic comment is hyperbolic.

[identity profile] rasilio.livejournal.com 2010-08-25 03:01 pm (UTC)(link)
No it's funny because you reference a FEDERAL tax increase in a sub thread on CALIFORNIA levels of taxation.

[identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com 2010-08-25 03:04 pm (UTC)(link)
For 404, taxes are taxes. Also, the highest marginal tax rate in California is a scant 10%.

[identity profile] 404.livejournal.com 2010-08-25 03:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Right. When 39% isn't getting the amount of money you want, you will bitch and moan that the rich aren't paying 45%, and it will keep going.

You still skipped over the point that California is the 8th highest taxed state right now, funny, that doesn't fit your narrative of the citizens of the state drowning the government in the bathtub.

[identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com 2010-08-25 03:05 pm (UTC)(link)
and you're skipping over the point that California's highest marginal tax rate is 10%, and it doesn't change the fact that California cannot raise the money it needs.

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[identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com 2010-08-25 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
they're not too high. They're too low.

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[identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com 2010-08-25 06:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I can give no cause for whatever it is that makes Texans be Texans. New Hampshire and California are hardly comparable states in comparable positions.

[identity profile] dwer.livejournal.com 2010-08-25 06:20 pm (UTC)(link)
The population of California: 36,961,664 (Jul 2009)
The size of California: 163707 square miles
The population of New Hampshire: 1,324,575 (Jul 2009)
The size of New Hampshire: 9351 square miles

California has 30 times more people than New Hampshire, and is 17.5 times larger than New Hampshire. They are not comparable in term of infrastructure needs, social service needs, or revenue requirements.

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[identity profile] nevermind6794.livejournal.com 2010-08-26 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
Actually, people are getting here (what with all that positive liberal media about Texas) and discovering that there aren't any jobs.

[identity profile] nevermind6794.livejournal.com 2010-08-26 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Unemployment is still historically high. (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/03/texan-tall-tales/) The increase in number of jobs is mostly attributable to an increase in population (twice the increase of the number of jobs) and cheap land keeping us out of the real estate bubble that hit just about everyone else. I'd like to see some comparison starting at dates other than 2006 - since that graph actually came from the governor's office.

Of course, Texas is also just kind of its own place. (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/03/texas-is-not-the-only-red-state/)

[identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com 2010-08-25 08:33 pm (UTC)(link)
No offense, but do you have any idea what you are talking about?

[identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com 2010-08-25 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, given how polite I am it wasn't meant to be. I was just responding to his repy to me. However, I have been reading the thread since I posted, and yeah it turned out to be....actually I'm worried that it may come off as sarcastic, since obviously he doesn't, when it comes to Calif.