http://oportet.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] oportet.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2010-04-27 10:09 am
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I'm not a liberal, but if I was, I can't imagine what I would have against the Tea Party movement - so hopefully a liberal/democrat could help me out with this.

I understand the movement is made up mostly of conservatives, so wouldn't that either be a good, or at worst, neutral thing for you when elections come around?

Sure, the Tea Party isn't an official party with representatives, but when a big (or the big) election comes around, they'll most likely endorse someone (If they don't, that would fall under neutral). If the person/people they back are Republican, you saw it coming, and you'll pretty much have the same outcome there would have been if the TP never existed (again, neutral result). If the person/people they back aren't Republican, it wouldn't be taking many, if any, votes away from your side - nowhere near the number it would be taking away from Republicans (this would fall under good for you).

Or am I missing something?

[identity profile] chessdev.livejournal.com 2010-04-29 03:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Where on Fox News has this been shown...

The assumption is that Fox would be campaigning vigorously to show the truth....so where is it?

[identity profile] light-over-me.livejournal.com 2010-04-29 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't have access to youtube at the moment, but I have seen interviews taking place with tea party supporters decrying racism or violence and stating that's not what they are about (this was shortly after the accusations of the N word being used at the Capitol). And on talk radio, callers have called in and spoken out about it, and so have the hosts themselves-- as a conservative to a conservative, they have said that kind of thing isn't acceptable behavior, and only muddies our message.

And why is the assumption that fox would be campaigning vigorously on this? They have done some segments on whether or not the tea party was getting a bad rep, where they have had some interviews... but I don't see them as exactly "campaigning" other than feeding off controversy because it makes entertaining news.

[identity profile] chessdev.livejournal.com 2010-04-29 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I look forward to the multiple articles you will present to show this...

But since people on the Right complain Fox is the only outlet to tell the "truth", then I'd expect a vigorous campaign of Tea Partiers disavowing the racists to show the "truth" that the rest of the media has been showing...

[identity profile] light-over-me.livejournal.com 2010-04-29 06:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I have posted links, they typically always go ignored and no one reads them. I've gone through this over and over, if not in this community, in the other(s). 99% of the time if someone believes the Tea Party is racist, their opinion is not budging and they have already made up their mind. If you're truly interested (and not just interested in trying to discredit me) I'm sure you have a TV and a radio and can find some conservative talk programs. Tune in sometime and listen to what actually gets said. Stop listening to the talking points and listen to what the people are actually saying.

But since people on the Right complain Fox is the only outlet to tell the "truth", then I'd expect a vigorous campaign of Tea Partiers disavowing the racists to show the "truth" that the rest of the media has been showing...

You're overstating Fox's role in things. There is not a massive campaign, because it isn't a massive problem. And furthermore, many feel this is exactly what people on the Left want to see happen--to make it a public discussion about race, etc, in order to distract away from the issues. Also, the Left has had some very different ideas on what exactly constitutes "racism". In my estimation, you have been successful. The more time we sit here constantly defending ourselves from attack and going back and forth with accusations, the more the message gets lost and ignored.

[identity profile] chessdev.livejournal.com 2010-04-29 07:16 pm (UTC)(link)
You dont have to "defend" yourelf....you just have to disavow the morons with the racist signs and slogans.


and for something that isn't a "massive problem" -- there SURE are a lot of photos and articles out there showing otherwise; So again, if you dont go out of your way to disavow the loons WHO CLAIM YOU, then it's noone's fault but your own if you get associated with the loons.


The message is lost NOT by the Left asking about the loons, but by the loons who claim you and are NOT disavowed.


Consistently disavow the loons (which all groups have to do) and it would be more credible to complain about "distraction"...