talkpolitics | A modest proposal:

To the contemporary white supremacists who pro-claim themselves "pro-"legal" immigration".

I believe you are all aware, gentlemen, that the establishments of the two foreign encroachments by the barbarians termed Jamestown and Plymouth was quite illegal. The Americans never made such deals with those foreigners who were buying our land and taking our women. Yet nowadays the descendants of these illegal immigrants propose to remove the descendants of other illegal immigrants. I propose a fair and equitable trade: since the first group of illegal immigrants took land both from we Americans and the Spaniard interlopers, I suggest that in the interest of America for the Americans, we establish a united polity of Indigenous peoples, and sue to have these illegal immigrants and their descendants removed.

These men came in, took food from us and took our jobs. They did this in perfect ill-faith, and I believe, O spirits from Beyond the Grave that we can outdo Montezuma and the Diarrhea of Doom in revenging ourselves. Who's with me?

-Your obedient servant,

Tecumseh-

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Migrations were known in North America, but unless you've something like a horse or llama to speed it along.....Indigenous Americans were on much more level playing fields than Europeans were. The few times Europeans have fought on equal playing fields they found such warfare difficult. It was the order of the day all over the Americas. There was a reason that, for instance, it took 40 years to conquer the Incas....

And mind you it's a been a long while since my pre-colonization studies but I know from the cultural studies on the tribes local to my area(Blackfoot, Shoshoni, Lakota, etc.) that they all had more or less stable territories. This only broke down once colonization west of the Pennsylvania was allowed. Saying the natives were just like the Europeans is offensive and inaccurate.

They did, yes.

And I will agree there.

I thought the Utes, Navajo, Hopi, and Zuni had territory disputes quite frequently.

The Apaches would have been the source of the greater conflicts, as the Navajo settled down and assimilated into the broader culture where the Apaches targeted *everybody.*

Most of my "knowledge" comes from background in the Tony Hillerman novels, and what little research I've done based on interest derived from them. Unlike you I don't seem to retain all that I learn :D. (fortunately I'm learning how to navigate on the computer, and when I have time I will look things up rather than ask)

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