A modest proposal:

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

To the contemporary white supremacists who pro-claim themselves "pro-"legal" immigration".

I believe you are all aware, gentlemen, that the establishments of the two foreign encroachments by the barbarians termed Jamestown and Plymouth was quite illegal. The Americans never made such deals with those foreigners who were buying our land and taking our women. Yet nowadays the descendants of these illegal immigrants propose to remove the descendants of other illegal immigrants. I propose a fair and equitable trade: since the first group of illegal immigrants took land both from we Americans and the Spaniard interlopers, I suggest that in the interest of America for the Americans, we establish a united polity of Indigenous peoples, and sue to have these illegal immigrants and their descendants removed.

These men came in, took food from us and took our jobs. They did this in perfect ill-faith, and I believe, O spirits from Beyond the Grave that we can outdo Montezuma and the Diarrhea of Doom in revenging ourselves. Who's with me?

-Your obedient servant,

Tecumseh-

Comments

[malasadas.livejournal.com]

Needs more Caesar.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

You'll have to conquer a thousand islands first.....

Duh.

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

Someone has been drinking on Saturdays.

[drcruel.livejournal.com]

You keep forgetting that America's proud tradition of accepting immigrants ended immediately after the arrival of my family.

[devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com]

My (10 greats) grandparents came over in 1632 with Lord Baltimore. Unless you can beat that, I'll have to see your papers, please.

And be ready to pack your bags.

[eracerhead.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry but I think that comparison fails. Taking land by force and setting up your own government is a tried-and-true tradition throughout history. The aboriginal Americans lost. That is unfortunate but to say they have claim over the nation now is to say that there are practically no legitimate nations anywhere in the world, depending upon how far back one wants to go.

Some immigrants are here illegally because we say they are, they would not be here illegally if we said they weren't. If some other nation wants to take our land by force, set up other governance and defend it, they are certainly welcome to try. One possesses exactly as much as one can defend, and that applies at all levels.

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

True.

And so much with the OMG Teh Values that we stand for.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Except that by anyone's definition, the Indians of the east coast could have claimed that John Smith and Miles Standish were illegal immigrants. It's supposed to be satirical, not necessarily accurate. No more so than 1984 was of Britain in 1948.....

And you're talking to someone to whom nationalism is heresy, so saying "nations" have legitimacy is a losing argument.

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

If some other nation wants to take our land by force, set up other governance and defend it, they are certainly welcome to try.

An excellent argument in favor of terrorism.

[allhatnocattle.livejournal.com]

To this, doctor, I concur.

The rules of acquisition are not quite so simple as you explain but I think you have the general idea. In war for territory there are at least two sides, if not more. Land isn't just the trophy for the winners, it's sometimes conceded. I mean after the WW2 victory, they could have said to Japan, Germany that they've lost the right to self-determination... or any number of other victories. With NDN's they were granted territories white man didn't want, until they wanted it.

[stewstewstewdio.livejournal.com]

But we all enjoy the government we have right now so much.....(snicker). Let them get a bunch of guns and have a revolution just like the other malcontents and anarchists in our country wanted and tried to do. Oh, it's been tried and it failed miserably? Oh, well. Back to worshiping American Idol

[allhatnocattle.livejournal.com]

If at first you don't succeed...

[mrbogey.livejournal.com]

1. What statute did they violate when they immigrated here? It stands that if no law is violated. Then the act was legal.

2. The lax immigration controls by the aboriginal Americans led to their being outnumbered and overrun. So it follows we should regulate immigration if we wish to avoid their fate.

3. Everyone who disagrees with you politically is not a racist, white supremacist, secret communist, devil worshiper.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

1) Horseshit.

2) Lax immigration? They were attempting to drive the Europeans into the sea in a matter of years. You want lax immigration, see: Foederati.

3) Just as everyone you disagree with politically is not a bloody red Bolshevik straight from sending their families to the Gulag.....

Someone doesn't understand satire.

[squidb0i.livejournal.com]

Add it to the list, eh?

[penguin42.livejournal.com]

1. What statute did they violate when they immigrated here? It stands that if no law is violated. Then the act was legal.

I thought you conservatives believed in some sort of natural law and rights in absence of official government

[mrsilence.livejournal.com]

1. Bullshit. Do you really think Indians had no legal system and that even if it was informal, they didn't have a right to the land they were on?

Come off it. Virtually anyone with sense recognizes that the Indians had their lands stolen from them by force. The only real debate is whether, hundreds of years later, it matters or not.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Given that Dances With Blue Space Furries has broken all movie records EVAH......

[404.livejournal.com]

Wait... what?

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

You really can present a cogent argument without snark.

[ofbg.livejournal.com]

Would you please link to the Indian law which was violated by the settlers? It will settle the confusion.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

There were a number of religious and social laws broken, such as stealing food supplies.....

[root-fu.livejournal.com]

Hm. Are you really part native-american?