ext_76887 ([identity profile] readherring.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2010-04-21 09:50 pm
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Bigotry at the Tea Party Protest

Given some of the discussions generated from my last post, I wanted to share with you one last picture from the April 15 Tea Party protest.

But first, I wanted to thank everyone for all of the positive comments. I was trying very hard to be open minded and fair, and I am genuinely happy that people found my post to be so. I am even more happy that people from "both sides" liked it for that reason. This is an incredibly positive political sentiment - that we have a common preference for fair and balanced presentation. It gives me some hope that this hyper-polarized climate might collapse one day.

I also wanted to apologize for not being on line much after posting - I'm on limited internet these days.

Anyway, I hope this doesn't destroy the fair and balanced vibes, but a lot of the commenters believed that the Tea Party is a bigoted movement. Not only do I insist that this is wrong, but I also believe that making this wrongful accusation needlessly pushes Tea Partiers and their liberal counterparts further away from ever listening to each other, or making any compromise. I therefore wish that I could say that I saw no evidence of bigotry at the Tea Party, but I can't. Here's the last picture:



This is one of the counter-protesters. Her shirt reads "F*ck your God". I didn't intentionally leave this out of the original post because I was embarrassed by it, although I am embarrassed by it. I only left it out because in choosing from my hundred photos to post, this one was just va poor quality shot.

I'm not trying to make liberals look bad with this picture. I'm just trying to show that while there are people with ugly beliefs on both sides, these ugly beliefs don't define those sides. The Anti-Tea-Party movement (or Coffee Party, or whatever) isn't an anti religion movement, even if some members of the Atheist Takfiri show up in the crowd. The same goes for racists (of which I saw none) or anti-abortionists (of which I saw the nutter truck driver - his rear billboard was all about fetuses) who show up for an anti-tax movement. The movement isn't about those other things, even if some of the participants go way off message.

Sorry if this post doesn't offer much new information over the last one, but given that there was such a strong belief in Tea Party racism in the first set of comments, I felt that I had done everyone a disservice by leaving this picture out.

[identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com 2010-04-22 02:42 pm (UTC)(link)
"Fuck Your God" is about as sensible and reasonable of a debate starter as "God Hates Fags."

[identity profile] yes-justice.livejournal.com 2010-04-23 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
However, "Fuck your god" is a very appropriate response to "God hates fags".

[identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com 2010-04-23 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
In that context, I can see that.

[identity profile] medea34.livejournal.com 2010-04-23 11:49 am (UTC)(link)
i have generally found it pretty much impossible to have a sensible and reasonable debate about the existance of god with a believer. belief excludes sense and reason (if the deity's presence/edicts could be seen or heard and determined via reason, there would be no need to 'believe').

'god hates fags' is no less sensible and reasonable a place to start debating than many of the other sentiments attributed to god (that god doesn't want you to: eat fish on friday, eat pork ever, disobey your husband, masturbate, have sex before marriage, use elevators and ovens on the sabbath or that god does wants you to: give 10% of your income to the church, slay non believers, beat or stone your kids if they are disobedient, observe one special day of the week, sprinkle water on babies, be celibate if you are a spiritual leader in your commuity....).