http://1800rocker.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] 1800rocker.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2010-04-06 08:59 pm
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Court: FCC has no power to regulate Net neutrality

FCC Wants Power. Denied! The FCC is in my opinion A Waste of time! I'm a proud Comcast user and now even prouder. As they liked the ruling as do I. I'm glad it was thrown out it should have been. Why is this Administration is trying to control everything? It's making voters angry. If I want to talk about the news, etc I should be able to. I am a American and I enjoy my freedom and my internet freedom.  

[identity profile] ryder-p-moses.livejournal.com 2010-04-08 05:30 am (UTC)(link)
Pure free-market entrepreneurship without extensive state support is demonstrably incapable of building or maintaining utilities on the scale of a national telecom network. "Freeing the market" in practical terms only means removing the fetters to unconstrained abuse the monolithic state-created monopoly accepted as a condition of the state support that made its very existence possible, while simultaneously assuring that they will be the only source for goods of the kind ever after.
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[identity profile] ryder-p-moses.livejournal.com 2010-04-09 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
Name one country whose phone network... hell, any reasonably dense nationwide utility, was produced by solely by corporate enterprise without either government subsidies or special monopolistic legal status.

There's scores of nations in the world with little to no local-level governmental influence, this shouldn't be difficult.
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[identity profile] ryder-p-moses.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
You realize that there are and have been more governments than the American government, yes? This is a concept that you understand? There's about, oh, 200 of them, give or take, representing just about any political configuration you can name - and there's fewer independent states now than at any point in history.

You're posting all these exciting personal stories about the Internet, lord knows why, and some third-grade textbook shit about how monopolies are bad that nobody's fucking contested, but what I asked you was to name one place where private enterprise has produced any large-scale public utility. Sanitation. Telephone lines. Electricity. Irrigation. Roads. Roads and for-profit initiative coexisted for thousands of years before anyone dreamed up socialism, through more nations and social configurations than can be counted, through entire eras when the authority of the state generally ended at the door of the mud hut the "state" lived in with his wives and children, where wealthy landed pre-industrialists were free as they ever could be to do as they pleased with and to the peasantry and the land as far as the eye could see, yet never in all of human experience shall you find an entrepreneur who on his own initiative built so much as a network of dirt fucking roads connecting the local villages, that's purely the domain of the big mean empires and the proto-commie collectives with their heavy economic regulation, and grew as they did. What was stopping the entrepeneurs, no state authority had thought up stock trading yet? The stars were not yet aligned?

Fuck, I would've even accepted some big stupid cultural artifact like the Pyramids for an answer, at least it would have demonstrated the ability of profit-motivated businesses to plan ahead and achieve goals on the relevant scale instead of just leech off whatever innovators or organizers came by. But no, what I get is a lot of weak handwaving about how something completely unprecedented in human history is the obvious ideal means of delivering large-scale services, in the face of overwhelming evidence in the last century alone that the exact fucking opposite policy, heavy centralized state involvement, has lead to faster industrialization, faster technical advancement, more efficient early development in the face of generally extreme adversity. And for supporting evidence of this wild claim I get, uh, that sometimes mildly irritating abuses have been made of ineptly regulated systems, so clearly abolishing all business regulation is The Answer.

Seriously, what do you base this on? Is this one of those Jesus things, does every last man the world over have to discard all statist things and devote their lives to solemn worship of the unregulated dollar before the Invisible Hand will manifest and bring us into a Golden Age? Is the hilarious failure on every front of lesser capitalist minarchies a test of faith? You're preachin' to the choir that government control of everything sucks and monopolies are bad, but when you eliminate regulation of a monopoly-dominated field of business with an inconceivably huge entry cost (i.e. putting the fucking telephone poles in the fucking ground across an entire fucking nation, not completely irrelevant pure bureaucratic artifacts like domain name registration), a poorly-regulated price-fixing baby-eating monopoly is what you get. And while it'd be awesome if there was, there is no example anywhere of something on the scale of the basic services you and I rely on every day being developed at all in the first place without the state taking the whole enterprise over and outcompeting private business.

Really, if you can scour the entire planet through all of human experience and not find one solitary example to spin as real proof that your economic ideal has ever actually worked to bring about a functioning civilization, don't come bringin' the fancy Latinate names for debate fouls, just gonna piss a motherfucker off.
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[identity profile] ryder-p-moses.livejournal.com 2010-04-11 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
Kiss kiss!