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talkpolitics2010-02-13 04:11 pm
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A history of Public Option rhetoric?
"I also want to say to seniors, if you're happy with Medicare the way it is, fine, you can stay in the program, but we're going to give you additional choices, just like they give federal employees in the federal employee health plan. Federal employees have got a variety of choices from which to choose, so should seniors."
- Bush jr. in a debate with Al Gore (source)
Is that Bush endorsing a *gasp* public option?!
let's see who else supports such a similar sort of idea....
"We allow you -- if you choose to, you don't have to -- but we give you broader competition to allow you to buy into the same health care plan that senators and congressmen give themselves.
If it's good enough for us, it's good enough for every American. I believe that your health care is just as important as any politician in Washington, D.C.
You want to buy into it, you can. We give you broader competition. That helps lower prices."
- John Kerry in a debate with Bush jr. ( source)
Is that Kerry endorsing a public option?
So when the FUCK did a public option become socialism?
Not to mention: WTF! Kerry is saying what Bush said 4 years earlier.
- Bush jr. in a debate with Al Gore (source)
Is that Bush endorsing a *gasp* public option?!
let's see who else supports such a similar sort of idea....
"We allow you -- if you choose to, you don't have to -- but we give you broader competition to allow you to buy into the same health care plan that senators and congressmen give themselves.
If it's good enough for us, it's good enough for every American. I believe that your health care is just as important as any politician in Washington, D.C.
You want to buy into it, you can. We give you broader competition. That helps lower prices."
- John Kerry in a debate with Bush jr. ( source)
Is that Kerry endorsing a public option?
So when the FUCK did a public option become socialism?
Not to mention: WTF! Kerry is saying what Bush said 4 years earlier.
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It randomly occurred to me to post it.
I didn't watch the Bush jr-Gore debates--too young. But I did a project on em for a history class, so I familiarized myself with it in 04 (my first year of college) and then watched the debates and went "huh?"
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Is a rabbit just like a rabbit, or is it just like a pony?
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And my other inquiry would be: so what options is the pres gonna give to seniors, if not somehow a govt run public option?
What options are Bush talking about? He's gonna start up brand spanking new insurance companies to give seniors options, or what? I mean, c'mon.
Sounds like he wants to let seniors in on the options that federal reps get...
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yup....
It's why he decided to bow when meeting certain foreign leaders...
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...especially Illinois commie-nazis
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Interesting.
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the permanent fund was established in 1976 when alaskans approved it via constitutional amendment. palin had nothing to do with it. she wasn't even old enough to vote in 1976.
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Outside of a very small number of powers granted to it by the people the federal government shouldn't be doing much of anything unless we ask it to.
ETA: In case it's not clear, it became "the fuck" socialism when it became mandatory to buy health insurance. Even worse was when it had to be government-approved health insurance.
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Even if it's mandating private health insurance?
Cause that's what pisses me off.
What do you think about the statement made by Bush?
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NO
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No, he's trying to get people OFF Medicare into a different option in this scenario.
Is that Kerry endorsing a public option?
Probably. It's a damn good thing he lost.
So when the FUCK did a public option become socialism?
It's not, it just brings us closer to it.
Not to mention: WTF! Kerry is saying what Bush said 4 years earlier.
He's not. Kerry was talking everyone, Bush was talking getting seniors off Medicare and onto something else.
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First, he says: 'if you want to' he isn't telling people that they should switch.
Second, what options (or as Bush said: "variety of choices") do federal employees have?
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Yes.
First, he says: 'if you want to' he isn't telling people that they should switch.
No, he's instead offering an option to the crowded-out Medicare patients.
Second, what options (or as Bush said: "variety of choices") do federal employees have?
I don't know, nor does it matter. Point being, what Bush was offering is not a public option like what Kerry or you are/were implying.
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Sounds like Kerry wants to extend the 'federal employee health plan' (specifically the one for congressman and senators--but I assume that's not a bad portion of the federal employee health plan) to people--which Bush was offering seniors?
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You tell me I am wrong without saying why. This is not productive. In the future, remember that. Either let the thread die or tell me I am wrong *and include why I am wrong* otherwise, you are just partaking in a fruitless action.
So: let's say you are right and I am missing the point. explain it
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America has plenty of socialized and semi-socialized systems in place, some of them have been around since the Declaration of Independance, and none of them have launched us into a slippery slope ending in a Stalinist/Marxist regime.
Also, the bailouts.
The bailouts have lit a fire under people who are already mistrustful of government. These people have watched the Republicans become big spendthrifts in recent years, and are desperately looking for a new Reagan to come and put sense back into the country. Unfortunately, they forget/ignore that capitalism isn't always better at serving the needs of the people.
Quick - what are the nine most terrifying words in the English language?
I'm from Blue Cross and I'm here to help. (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/HealthCare/health-insurers-post-record-profits/story?id=9818699)
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Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. [prepare to die]
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I predict the one after socialism will be fascism, because most people don't really know what it means and it sounds scary.
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The Communists were not a bunch of lovely soft hippies, they were hard-edged men who could easily butcher entire villages if it came to it.
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I'm no communist apologist, that was just a really poor argument ;)
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