ext_97971 ([identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2009-12-10 01:24 pm
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I'm going to attempt to argue a theory here; many may jump on me for the real-world practice that goes on, but this is not about that.

In theory, I support the death penalty. This is an eye-for-an-eye sort of justice.
If you take anothers life, delibrately, in cold blood, in a pre-meditated fashion, you have lost your right to live, IMO.

Now, since this penalty is to be administered by the govt, there ought be some strict guidelines. Here is what I propose:

Either:
A) You are caught in the act by the authorities (but the person dies before he/she can be rushed to the hospital)
B) There is overwhelming evidence against you--personally I feel that four criteria would be met for this:

fingerprint
DNA
eye-witness
video of event (audio is a plus, but I feel these four are sufficient to ensure that the guilty party is the one being punished)

These strict requirements, are, to my knowledge, not required anyplace where the death penalty is enacted. Thus my theoretical support of the death penalty does not support the real-world way in which the death penalty is applied in the US (or elsewhere)

I recognize that in the US (and prolly elsewhere too) the death penalty is applied in a biased manner and that in too many cases the wrong person is executed. I feel that the criteria I laid out are sufficient to ensure no wrongful executions -- though, of course, I am open to hear contrary views on that.

Let us put aside issues of economic cost (which vary) and issues of how to execute (which vary) and focus on the question of: "Is execution for murder an acceptable punishment?"

I feel that it is; I feel that one forfits their right to live when they steal that right from another. I believe in human rights that are inherent but not absolute--the human rights that we all have are what we start with, but we do not necessarily retain them forever. We can lose them.

Thoughts?

[identity profile] thies.livejournal.com 2009-12-10 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
"I feel that the criteria I laid out are sufficient to ensure no wrongful executions"

somehow your post and comment do not go well together

[identity profile] thies.livejournal.com 2009-12-10 07:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I pointed to the two which easily fail. The others are just as potentially flawed. All have in various combinations led to wrongful death sentences. Why would I blindly trust anyone when it is a matter of life and death? Of course the easy way out is to just hand out life sentences as those can be reversed unlike death sentences.

[identity profile] a-new-machine.livejournal.com 2009-12-10 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
The real question is, is there any reasonable circumstance in which all of them might be wrong at the same time?

[identity profile] confliction.livejournal.com 2009-12-10 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
When someone wants them to be right at the same time for their own personal gain.

I don't see these four criteria standing the test of time as technology enables individuals (or organizations (or insiders)) to falsify or otherwise make things seem as they are not.

[identity profile] schquee.livejournal.com 2009-12-10 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Despite facts, in theory, don't you agree that some people should die?

[identity profile] thies.livejournal.com 2009-12-10 10:31 pm (UTC)(link)
from a judicial angle I don't see the point