Oh wow.

[luzribeiro]

If you think that mansplaining about "not assault weapons" and "assault weapons" in light of today's events in Las Vegas is going to be helpful in discussing the huge gun violence problem the USA has, you are the problem.

50+ dead, 400+ taken to hospitals.

Save us all the wisdom you need to share about the bullshit you believe.

This is how these guys handle everything - by dragging us out into the weeds of the mansplains rather than actually addressing the issues.

Don't be a dick.

Comments

[policraticus]

You've got to be trolling me now.

I think shootings like at Columbine or Newtown might have been prevented with better mental health screenings, more active mental health interventions. But the shooters in those cases stole the guns they used, so all gun control laws were rendered moot.

As for gun control in schools, I have friends who went to school every day during duck season with a 12 gauge shotgun. They'd drop it off at the vice principal's office on the way to homeroom. No one thought anything about it. As it is, I think almost every school in the US is now a "Gun Free Zone." That might be a reason they become an attractive target. No one will shoot back at you. If just some on the staff of the Newtown elementary school had been armed, maybe they could have controlled the situation with a gun. We'll never know.

[nairiporter]

I am talking about access control in schools - for schoolchildren. How can a pupil be allowed to enter a school with a gun?

Isn't there security in those schools? Where have I said that security staff shouldn't be armed? And *I* am trolling you now?

[garote]

There are large chunks of the US where a long gun is considered first as a tool, and considered as a murder weapon second, if at all. It's the way my father was raised, and his father before him, first on the Oklahoma plains and then in the undeveloped terrain along the Sacramento river in California, where his family hunted small game to supplement their meager income. Hunting season is a big thing in many midwestern states. In some areas you can go out on a November morning and hear rifle fire in the hills all around you, and it is absolutely normal. Young people are trained by their own parents to handle firearms responsibly well before any government entity is on the scene to run programs and gather paperwork.

Missouri has an early youth portion of their deer hunting season.

http://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/outdoors/2015/10/21/youth-early-hunting-opportunities/74262026/

Let that sink in a bit. This is really a different culture. And their possession and use of firearms does not move the needle on their murder rate one bit. Murder is almost entirely a big city problem, like it is everywhere else in the world.

[nairiporter]

Appeal to tradition is not a very useful argument.

[garote]

Ain't saying you have to find it appealing. Just pointing out what we're dealing with here.

[nairiporter]

The "appeal" part in the name of a fallacy does not mean the one using it, necessarily finds it appealing. :-)

[garote]

Forgive me for being a bit informal.

[garote]

I was explaining politicraticus’ childhood experience with guns in schools to an incredulous nairiporter, not speaking for the entire world. Step off.

[garote]

For the second time, no, I was not doing any such thing. But if that's what you must assume to keep bloviating, fine.