ext_284991 ([identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2013-10-05 05:42 pm

Unnecessary shutdowns

The federal government is shutting down a lot of things that are either don't need to be shut down (because they cost no money to operate) or actually cost more to shut down than they do to keep operating. These include both national parks and government agency websites.

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/10/84362-13-national-parks-impacted-government-shutdown/
http://reason.com/blog/2013/10/02/government-will-shut-down-websites-even

We're at the point where the government is just being petty and working on zooming well past that point.

For those who think it's justified because the Republicans won't budge on Obamacare, that just doesn't fit the facts.

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As a libertarian, I'm fine with permanently cutting 800,000 federal workers and I think it's nice that they've identified the agencies we can do without, but I'd rather it happen with at least the standard 2-week warning for people. Pretty much all politicians in office right now are acting like children, but that's what happens when the electorate is also.

[identity profile] mindstalk.livejournal.com 2013-10-06 07:10 pm (UTC)(link)
" How can you justify spending more money closing the park and keeping people out than you would keeping it open?"

This must be the new right-wing talking point.

Show us the numbers.

[identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com 2013-10-06 07:39 pm (UTC)(link)
This must be the new right-wing talking point.

Yeah, it's like the GUYS! HOW MUCH DO TEACHERS AND FIRE REALLY NEED TO BE PAID?

[identity profile] cheezyfish.livejournal.com 2013-10-06 10:34 pm (UTC)(link)
How much does it cost to barricade a open 24/7, open air monument and then pay park rangers to guard it? More than zero dollars. How much does it cost to do nothing? Zero dollars. How much does it cost to barricade a parking lot? More than zero dollars. How much does it cost to do nothing and let people park there? Zero. It isn't rocket science.

[identity profile] cheezyfish.livejournal.com 2013-10-07 03:41 pm (UTC)(link)
“What if the cost of shutting down a website exceeds the cost of maintaining services?” the memo asks, in a Q&A section.

Answer: “The determination of which services continue during an appropriations lapse is not affected by whether the costs of shutdown exceed the costs of maintaining services.”

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/oct/03/watchdog-shutdown-government-websites/ (http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/oct/03/watchdog-shutdown-government-websites/)

Sure, this is talking about websites, but I see no reason why the policy wouldn't extend to parks.