ext_284991 ([identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2013-10-05 05:42 pm

Unnecessary shutdowns

The federal government is shutting down a lot of things that are either don't need to be shut down (because they cost no money to operate) or actually cost more to shut down than they do to keep operating. These include both national parks and government agency websites.

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/10/84362-13-national-parks-impacted-government-shutdown/
http://reason.com/blog/2013/10/02/government-will-shut-down-websites-even

We're at the point where the government is just being petty and working on zooming well past that point.

For those who think it's justified because the Republicans won't budge on Obamacare, that just doesn't fit the facts.

cr timeline tpp

As a libertarian, I'm fine with permanently cutting 800,000 federal workers and I think it's nice that they've identified the agencies we can do without, but I'd rather it happen with at least the standard 2-week warning for people. Pretty much all politicians in office right now are acting like children, but that's what happens when the electorate is also.

[identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com 2013-10-06 04:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Strangely enough there are a number of local monuments and sites that are maintained by private "charities" or more accurately historical societies.

[identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com 2013-10-06 05:06 pm (UTC)(link)
A bit different from a sidewalk, eh?

[identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com 2013-10-06 05:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry, that makes no sense to me.

[identity profile] paft.livejournal.com 2013-10-06 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
You don't see the difference between maintaining a sidewalk and maintaining an historic monument?

[identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com 2013-10-06 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
And what happens if/when those historical societies decide to not do it anymore? Or if they decide to rewrite the historical context of what they're maintaining? Or if they decide to provide naming writes to the largest corporate grant/individual donation/etc?

[identity profile] cheezyfish.livejournal.com 2013-10-06 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
You do realize that historical societies do in fact maintain national monuments, and all your hypothetical are very real and distinct possibilities when they are maintained by government also?

[identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com 2013-10-07 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
Yep.

But I also have more confidence that, despite current situations, the government won't poof.

[identity profile] cheezyfish.livejournal.com 2013-10-07 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
I don't share that trust of government I suppose.

[identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com 2013-10-07 05:29 am (UTC)(link)
Pretty sure it's been around longer than any historical societies.

[identity profile] mylaptopisevil.livejournal.com 2013-10-07 06:30 am (UTC)(link)
I'd be curious to see the numbers

[identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com 2013-10-07 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
Hey, I was just thinking about you, and even indirectly mentioned you somewhere in the comments :D.

Most of the places that I know about: 1) It isn't a matter of the (mostly) old ladies quitting as much as dying (I actually discussed this very thing with one of the docents at a small museum in Chatsworth)(on property that was part of Roy Rogers ranch, fwiw) 2) while I suppose it's possible someone would try to rewrite the history, the places I'm thinking of, I'm not sure anyone would bother (altho some of Wm S. Hart's history has been whitewashed a bit) 3)Hm, I never considered that. If that happens I will let you know how it comes out ;)