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[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

http://reason.com/archives/2013/06/12/three-reasons-the-nothing-to-hide-crowd
http://www.cato.org/blog/why-nsa-collecting-phone-records-problem
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110524/00084614407/privacy-is-not-secrecy-debunking-if-youve-got-nothing-to-hide-argument.shtml
http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/the-data-trust-blog/2009/02/debunking-a-myth-if-you-have-n.html

There are a significant number of people who respond to any revelation that government is violating the law (yes, the Constitution is part of the law) with a shrug and "I've got nothing to hide". These people are selfish fools at best. They are not looking at the bigger picture and/or aren't considering other people. Plus, they probably aren't paying attention to the fact that everyone in America is currently a criminal, that everyone violates a law with serious penalties at some point, whether you know it or not. (And the fact that that is the case is another problem, but that's outside the scope of my point here.)

Even Biden and Obama railed against what they are themselves supporting now, before they were in power. That alone should be enough to make you stop and think about what having that kind of power available can do to people.

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[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

Depends on who, how, when, and what you ask.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViQg0_fTKsA
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/13/nsa-surveillance-guardian-poll-oversight
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2013/0612/Actually-Americans-aren-t-shrugging-over-NSA-surveillance-video

I'll make sure you're on the list of people supporting tyranny though.

[stewstewstewdio.livejournal.com]

Depends on who, how, when, and what you ask.

The original Pew survey found that most people supported surveillance for national defense. Are you surprised that views have changed after the media was able to sensationalize a story like this and people have gravitated to their own personal pundits? The press is having a field day with this, just like We the Amateurs are by oversimplifying Constitutional interpretation to fit their own agenda.

I'll make sure you're on the list of people supporting tyranny though.

So says the anarchist.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

First, I'm not an anarchist. Second, you could get a survey to find that most people supported post-birth abortion if you asked the questions right. Supporting surveillance is not the same as supporting privacy invasion or unconstitutional searches. Third, I don't really care if most people do support violating the Constitution, it's not up to popular vote.

[stewstewstewdio.livejournal.com]

I don't really care if most people do support violating the Constitution, it's not up to popular vote.

Also, hammering the Constitution into your personal interpretation is not your choice. We have a Supreme Court to interpret the Constitution, so your opinion of it doesn't matter to anybody. The ACLU has brought a legal challenge to government surveillance procedures, so I'm just going to grab a box of popcorn and see how this comes out.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

SCOTUS is not infallible, and they took the power to do that by themselves in the first place anyways. Also, not all unconstitutional laws go to them for review, for various reasons.

And yes, I am allowed to expound on what I believe the Constitution says, same as you. SCOTUS is doing the same thing, they just have people set up to follow what they say without question.