ext_308938 ([identity profile] chron-job.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2012-11-07 01:42 pm
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The Devil's in the Demographics.

An interesting, if under reported result of last night's elections.

Puerto Rico just voted for statehood.


In a 2 part referendum, they voted for a change of status over the status quo (54% to 46%) and Statehood over 'Sovereign Free Association', or Independence (61%, over 33% and 5% respectively.)

Do you think this is likely to come to pass in the next few years? Critics say the referendum's split nature made it "confusing" to the point that it will be unconvincing to congress, but it makes perfect sense to me.

Currently people in Puerto Rico are considered citizens, but they can't vote for presidents, and they have no real voice in Congress. If they were made a state, being between Connecticut and Oklahoma in population, we'd expect them to have 5 seats in the House of Representatives, and 7 electoral votes. If they become a state, what does THAT do to your demographic calculations?

My own thought is that short term self interest will lead the Republicans in congress to hem, haw, delay, and oppose this, because of the obvious political implications. House Democrats ought to support it... both for short term political gain, and because it is in-line with both party, and, I feel, generally American, principles.

But mostly, this is just one more little pebble on the large scale that says "Republican Party, DIVERSIFY OR DIE!"

*** Edit *** 15:13
EST For those interested in the mechanics, and example of the plebiscite is on page 7 of this PDF. http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R42765.pdf

[identity profile] nairiporter.livejournal.com 2012-11-07 06:53 pm (UTC)(link)
So will they have to add one more star to each American flag? God, this is an awful lot of work!
Edited 2012-11-07 18:54 (UTC)

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2012-11-07 07:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, Obama's making people potentially have to buy all-new American flags. Such an un-American thing to do. ;)

[identity profile] malakh-abaddon.livejournal.com 2012-11-07 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
No... Only those Socialist/communist Democrats will.

Or those who are against it will
Move to Texas, and it will leave the Union, and we won't have to worry as there will still be 50 states in America.

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2012-11-07 07:09 pm (UTC)(link)
God Help Texas if it decides to fight for its 'independence' by armed force again. That will end just like all the other times it's been tried, people will die, there will be a major hue and outcry and in 30 years people will have forgotten it as utterly as the Garamantes. OTOH, I'm not so sure Mexico needs a petro-state with the usual fundie overtones that means to add to the destabilization caused by the Drug War there. OTOOH, the Cartels v. Neo-Confederate assclowns......

[identity profile] nairiporter.livejournal.com 2012-11-07 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
It will re-join Mexico afterwards, won't it?

[identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com 2012-11-07 07:14 pm (UTC)(link)
By all means, please do that ASAP and rid the rest of them of all that whining.

Besides, the map looks beautiful.

Image
Edited 2012-11-07 19:15 (UTC)

[identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com 2012-11-07 08:00 pm (UTC)(link)
It's Jabba the Hutt holding an AK47

[identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com 2012-11-07 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
But the borders are so ugly now!

[identity profile] ddstory.livejournal.com 2012-11-07 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Not if you fit the last piece of the puzzle in its right place. Just put Alaska down there, and - done!

[identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com 2012-11-08 05:06 pm (UTC)(link)
That is not how it works. New flags will be manufactured. States that observe the MLK holiday will buy new flags. States that do not will hold off on a flag upgrade as long as possible. Here is a prototype:

Image
Edited 2012-11-08 17:08 (UTC)

[identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com 2012-11-08 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Only ten stripes! Heavens to Betsy, I hope they don't leave out three of the original colonies.

And that prototype is one possibility but not the only one. The president gets to approve a new flag design, I believe.

[identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com 2012-11-10 09:27 pm (UTC)(link)
That is not supposed to be the entire flag, only the upper left hand corner. I did not say that this was the only prototype, only a prototype.

[identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com 2012-11-10 09:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah I know, just schooling ya.

[identity profile] rimpala.livejournal.com 2012-11-08 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, I remember that, the Bush era

[identity profile] nairiporter.livejournal.com 2012-11-08 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Those haven't gone anywhere, they are still there.

[identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com 2012-11-10 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I pledge allegience to the flag
Of the unitied corporation of Earth
And to the totality for which it stands
One world, insubvertible
Without liberty or justice at all