The Game Changer?

[rick-day.livejournal.com]

Well, it looks like Mitt Romney has been playing the "Selective Family Album" game and kinda/sorta/oppsies forgot to tell everyone he is 1/4 Mexican.

And just did why did Mitt's father flee Mexico for the safety of the US?

In his public life Mitt Romney has said and written little about his ancestors' history in Mexico.  In one oft-repeated quote he said his family left the U.S. for Mexico to escape persecution for their religious beliefs.

In fact, Romney's great grandfather, Miles Park Romney, led that first expedition to escape not persecution but prosecution for polygamy, or what Mormons called ‘plural marriage.’

Well, this is rather awkward, from a race standpoint. So we have the Southern US. There is a strong showing of rather simple minded voters who are Crusading Voters for Christ and All Other Things White™.

Who they going to vote for. Mitt the Mex? Barrak the Magic Negro?

Or maybe that white guy Gary Johnson, the only real social liberal/fiscal conservative in the race.

God DAMN I love Southern Idiocracy.

Question: Game changer? If Mitt embraces his SOTB roots, will this swing brown skins to his camp? WILL ANYONE DEMAND TO SEE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

ETA: This just in! Cain demands to know more about this polygamy thing!

Comments

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

SO, let's review:

* The mormons fled the conditions of their land to seek refuge in another country -- and by your argument, that is OK

* Mexicans fled the conditions of their land to seek refuge in another country -- and that is NOT OK.


Ah, yes. Good to see we're consistent.

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

Yeah, you are correct, except it seems not to matter how "outsider" one is, once they get in, no more outsider (regardless of party)

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

Hey, I'm just happy that when I imply something negative about the President, I'm not accused of being a racist ;)

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

This has nothing to do with "conditions" and everything to do with religious persecution. You completely missed the entire point.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Don't jinx yourself.

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

No, *You* missed the point.

Regardless of why the people fled, the fact is that they DID.

They felt conditions in their country were intolerable and fled. and YET, many of the GOP are strongly opposed for other people fleeing here to escape their countries in a similar manner.


You seem to think the reasons matter to the point -- in this case, they dont.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Regardless of why the people fled, the fact is that they DID.

The point, in fact, is why. Fleeing because you don't like a place is markedly different than fleeing because you're facing persecution for your beliefs.

They felt conditions in their country were intolerable and fled. and YET, many of the GOP are strongly opposed for other people fleeing here to escape their countries in a similar manner.

Show me a Republican who is against political or religious asylum, then. Please, by all means.

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

Show me a Republican who is against political or religious asylum, then. Please, by all means.

Rrrrrrriiiiggghhhtttt..................

So if people sneaking across the border tried to claim asylum, you'd say "Sure"?


Give me a break dude!! And double-"Give me a break" if you argue the people holding the signs with "they're taking our jobs" and "Our system cant support them" are going to agree.

Your attempted argument here is pretty close to revisionism -- both in what HAS been seen and what HAS been said.


But by all means - PLEASE try to convince us that the same people saying "build a wall" and "Shoot people sneaking in on sight" actually are open to political asylum.


Right....

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

But by all means - PLEASE try to convince us that the same people saying "build a wall" and "Shoot people sneaking in on sight" actually are open to political asylum.

You made the claim that the GOP is opposed to similar attempts at fleeing. If you can't back it up, then just say so.

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

Actually I ONLY have months and months of signs at rallies that have been discussed ad naseum on this very forum...

As well as the Anti-Immigration laws (and discussions again on this very forum)...


and yet you want to pretend that nothing on this has been said and nothing to see??


And you wonder why I claim you're practicing blatant revisionism with this argument.

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

So what you are saying is people may only migrate to another country if it is to avoid religious prosecution.

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

Well, THAT's Romney's excuse so that is permissible...

But fleeing from violence, extreme poverty, economic persecution,
corrupt systems that allow you to be persecuted by whichever local official
feels like taking your stuff.... well, that's THEIR problem
and doesnt count.

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

at least until someone he is supporting is using one of those reasons instead, anyways.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

So, can you point to any signs that have anything to do with political and/or religious asylum?

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Well, THAT's Romney's excuse

[citation needed]

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

When did I say that?

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

It doesn't matter when. Do you believe it or do you not believe it?

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

You seem to, as is common, be applying incorrect viewpoints to me that were made expressly clear in posts you were involved with (http://politicartoons.livejournal.com/2841550.html?thread=67818446&style=mine#t67818446).

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

I wonder why you are having such trouble answering such a simple question.

[awdrey-gore.livejournal.com]

Thanks for sharing your always unique perspective.

[no citation needed]

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

That was YOUR argument.

The absence of those signs pretty much shoots down *your* position -- not mine.


But thanks for making my point for me in showing how much of a stretch your point was..

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Do you have any intention on contributing to these discussions?

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

So your position is simply one of blown smoke. Thank you for clarifying.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Why should I? You already think you know the answer, and you've made it fairly clear you don't actually care what my answer is, so I'd much rather just point out that you already know the answer and are instead choosing to ignore it.

Change your behavior, maybe we'll get somewhere.

[awdrey-gore.livejournal.com]

Is this a value judgment on what I am bringing to the table? I think a polite response should pass muster but if it doesn't, please elaborate as to why it does not. I think I'm making myself pretty clear even if I am not responding in a manner you find pleasing, but you never know. Best to be clear in such matters.