I've been as clear as I can be in this thread and you just continue to translate what I've said into something else. Espousing my beliefs is way beyond the scope of this thread. I'm trying to focus on one little concept, that libertarians do not say that the market is perfect and never wrong, only that it is optimal and self-correcting, and that you won't accept/understand that there's a difference. You appear to believe that libertarians believe a particular way and you refuse to be corrected.