ext_21147 ([identity profile] futurebird.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2011-09-10 09:53 am
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Sexism in media.

"What Does An Important Person Look Like?" That's the question Jennifer Dalton poses in her new "Cool Guys Like You" exhibition, opening Friday at New York's Winkleman Gallery. And in case you hadn't guessed, the answer is: a dude.
As Dalton explains in her statement about the installation, an open letter to talk show hosts "Bill/Brian/Charlie/Jon/Leonard/Rachel/Stephen/Terry": "When I looked closely at whom you interview -- the people you collectively decide are the most important of the moment -- I was very surprised…. In 2010, the most lopsided show among you featured only 17.5% female guests. The most balanced among you still only featured 34% female guest s…. If I may be so bold, WTF?"

From Salon.com : Does "The Daily Show" still have a woman problem?
BY MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS Posted on FRIDAY, SEP 9, 2011 14:10 ET 
Whenever anyone tries to talk about sexism the one frequently seen reflexive response is to say something along the lines of "there is a very good reason why there are more men than women" then reasons are given that range from the blatantly sexist (women are not funny) to the systemic (not enough women who can fit these roles, women don't want to do these things in large enough numbers) These responses can be found in the comments of the salon.com article --the trouble is all of these responses are cop-outs and they are rarely supported by data.

A quick internet search will tell you that women outnumber men in journalism schools, and women outnumber men in drama schools. This is a hard indication that women WANT these kinds of jobs and they WANT to be in the industry and they are studying and working toward that goal in large enough numbers that it should not be hard at all to find one good woman suited to a given job. Of coure, a degree doesn't make one qualified or good, but the idea that there isn't a sufficient pool of women seeking these positions is nothing more than a comforting myth that helps us ignore the 10,000 gorilla in the room:

That even funny, awesome, compassionate liberals can be sexist.

My challenge to you: Don't try to explain this away. Instead think of something, however large or small it might be, that you can do to change it. Do you need an incentive beyond simple justice and fairness? Well, think of this: When we tap in to all of those silent female voices we will have better media and funnier comedy, that's just what happens when you select from a bigger pool without sexist blinders on.

[identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com 2011-09-10 03:18 pm (UTC)(link)
'That even funny, awesome, compassionate liberals can be sexist.'

It's not that anyone is sexist any more than the idea that nature is sexist.

The problem I see with a lot on the left is their denial of the inherent differences between people and thus their demands of equalization. And yet people are different.

A 5'0 tall 200lb man will never ever be as sexually successful as a 6'0 190lb man all other non-physical conditions being the same.

Men are more aggressive biologically. It's basic hormonal development. They'll be more aggressive and thus more successful in competitive endeavors.

[identity profile] mikeyxw.livejournal.com 2011-09-10 03:41 pm (UTC)(link)
"Men are more aggressive biologically."

You clearly know different women than I do.

[identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com 2011-09-10 04:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Ye, and some men have bigger breasts than some women. Doesn't change what the vast majority have.

[identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com 2011-09-12 02:07 pm (UTC)(link)
only a fool would use only their personal experience of a gender to extrapolate to the entire gender.

you don't know about the link between testosterone and agression?

[identity profile] mikeyxw.livejournal.com 2011-09-13 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
I was being a bit snarky, not serious, in case you missed that.

If you are defining agression as physical aggression, then testosterone certainly has a link. The gap in physical aggression has very little to do with the number of comedy writers which is what we're discussing.

The type of aggression I was thinking of was more along the lines of ambition. Here, I don't see a gender gap, if you have something better than personal experience to suggest that men are more ambitious than men, I'd love to see it.

[identity profile] notmrgarrison.livejournal.com 2011-09-13 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
Personally, I think men are just as ambitious as men.