ext_209521 ([identity profile] kinvore.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2011-07-18 05:19 pm

Sociopaths and society

I strongly recommend that everyone read a fascinating book called The Sociopath Next Door by Martha Stout, Ph.D.

What is a sociopath?
A sociopath (aka psychopath) is a person unable to feel emotions for other people the way most of us do. They can hurt us in many ways and sleep like a baby that night. They have no sense of guilt or remorse and are often a destructive force in our lives, both personally and sociologically. Studies indicate as many as 1 in 25 of us may have this lack of conscience (EDIT: it's only fair to remark several members of this community dispute that number and have provided their own links in the comments section that show this may be an inflated figure).

Many think of serial killers when they think of sociopathy, but those actually make up a small percentage of their numbers. One may think prisons would be filled with them but according to the book a study indicates roughly 20 percent of the prison population has this deficiency. They can be criminals and terrorists but they can also be a CEO or a politician. The scariest trait other than their lack of empathy is their ability to hide among us and remain difficult to detect.

Not all are violent, in fact many are smart enough to keep a low profile by avoiding violent behavior. In the book Dr. Stout gives several examples based on real cases, from a man who takes advantage of his wife, unemployed and sitting at the pool all day, to an administrator in a psychiatric facility who gets her pleasure from undermining the work of her colleagues (by sabotaging the progress of their patients), to a mild-mannered man that starts fires in post offices just to watch the frantic efforts to put out the blaze.

They are usually charming, spontaneous, and complex. And almost without exception they wreak havoc in the lives of those around them, usually because we refuse to believe that anyone can do such hurtful things to others just for the sake of hurting. They can be especially adept at getting others to go along with their schemes. They can be a terrorist, or a con man, or a teacher. They can be your next door neighbor, they can be in your family.

What does this have to do with politics?
Now here's where the book can really get interesting. As mentioned before, roughly 4% of the world's population is a sociopath, but in some countries the population can be much lower. In countries like Japan and China where there's greater social pressure to work cooperatively, the estimated rates vary between about .03% to .14%, far less than their counterparts in the Western world.

According to the book the United States has the fastest growing rate of antisocial behavior in the world (although no specific numbers are given). Our emphasis on individualism tends to both encourage sociopathy and makes it easier for them to hide among us. We tend to admire many of their traits, their risk-taking and daring natures.

Is this to say that individualism in itself is somehow wrong? Absolutely not, but it certainly demonstrates the need reevaluate the behaviors it may encourage.

Sociopaths can be a serious threat to our way of life. At times in history when many have risen in power we've seen the catastrophic results. So I think we need to work on better ways of detecting them among us. But let's say we find a fool-proof means of finding those among us without conscience, what is to be done with them?

There is no known "cure" for sociopathy, their brains simply work differently from the rest of us. Do we imprison them? Do we find some other way of sequestering them from society? Do we try to work with them, find a use for their lack on conscience? In the comments section I'll go more into detail about this, as well as something else mentioned in the book that deserves its own discussion.

[identity profile] bex.livejournal.com 2011-07-18 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know if the author uses psychopath/sociopath interchangeably, but the overly-simplified definition was, as far as I knew, that psychopaths are born and sociopaths are made.

[identity profile] blue-mangos.livejournal.com 2011-07-18 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Interesting. Do you happen to know what factors would go into the making of a sociopath? I can see in that case the individualism often encouraged in America being one, but if you happen to know of others and don't mind taking the time to respond, I'd love to hear more.

[identity profile] bex.livejournal.com 2011-07-18 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not really my area, sorry. I've seen humorous comparisons drawn between very younger children and psycho/sociopaths (http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-study-reveals-most-children-unrepentant-sociop,2870/) (Onion article, please do not take seriously, even if it does contain a grain of truth!) - perhaps something is missing in early childhood and these future psycho/sociopaths just aren't given the resources to progress beyond infancy and be appropriately socialized. If I had to guess, I would say improper/inadequate attachment early on, abuse/neglect, unstable home life, the usual. Of course, I'm sure there are kids whose parents do everything right but they're still a bit off, so who knows.

Terri Moffitt is a well-known criminologist who studies sociobiological stuff (sorta - lots of hormone level things), and she's co-authored an article that suggests that there's a genetic link for psychopathy (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-7610.2004.00393.x/full), but they use antisocial behavior and callous-unemotional traits as a measure for psychopathy, which... I don't know, I struggle with. "Antisocial behavior" is a pretty fucking vague term and has been use to describe everything from internalizing behavior to violent outbursts. It's kinda a catchall for "not right."

Other than that, I see a pretty slim smattering of articles about risk factors for socio/psychopathology (sorry to keep using that garbled term, but I'm really not sure what people are calling it these days), and nothing very recent. I found one from 1989 but I can't access the PDF, and I don't like citing articles based on the info in the abstract, because I want to see the methodology.

[identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com 2011-07-18 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
The behaviors associated with sociopathy can range across all behavior norms. A sociopath is more likely to be a loner and a recluse (like me) than an abuser and a murderer. The murdering rates for normals is as significant as it is for sociopaths. Heinous crimes are a result of opportunity and environment. Whether or not someone is a sociopath, in my opinion, is irrelevant to their criminality.

[identity profile] bex.livejournal.com 2011-07-18 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I wasn't arguing that socio/psychopaths are criminals, just drawing on the body of knowledge I happen to be familiar with. I study crime, so I know of Moffitt's work and the nexus of psych and criminology. That's all.

But yes, there is a public perception that socio/psychopathy = criminal.

[identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com 2011-07-18 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh I know you weren't arguing that. I was just talking.

[identity profile] bex.livejournal.com 2011-07-18 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Can't let you do that, Starfox.

[identity profile] curseangel.livejournal.com 2011-07-18 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that, as with most things, it depends on the person and how they were raised, and so on. The characteristic lack of conscience found in sociopaths can make it very, very easy for them to manipulate, use, and abuse others for their own benefit. Thiiis doesn't mean they all will, of course, as you say.

Granted, here I admit my own bias; I have strong reason to believe that a relative of mine is a sociopath, and the things they have done to my family for their own benefit or just because they could... *shudder*
Edited 2011-07-18 23:26 (UTC)

[identity profile] meus-ovatio.livejournal.com 2011-07-18 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I think we all pass through periods of sociopathy. We tend to read conditions as permanent injunctions upon the human psyche, but mostly psychology is a fluctuating, malleable, ever-changing current. The problem of categorization is just that it makes things easy to learn, but results in unjustified reifications of concepts into people, condemning them to a false diagnosis as one thing or another, when we are all, in fact, many things and many different times.

[identity profile] curseangel.livejournal.com 2011-07-18 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know, I think that some conditions (such as sociopathy) can absolutely be "forever" kinds of things. Or at least so ongoing that they have no discernible beginning or end in a person's life. IDK, as I said, my only experience with sociopathy is my relative, and they... have definitely always been that way, at least to the extent of my knowledge, and it has never stopped.