http://kylinrouge.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics 2011-06-11 10:18 pm (UTC)

I suppose the implication is that the reader would in fact make a discernment about this.

I don't particularly care in any case.

This is a big point of contention for me. If you can't understand what the OP means, then either the OP means something other than what you think, or it's deliberately vague so as to promote incorrect responses. The former seems more reasonable to me. If you can't tell me your opinion on the matter in the same breath as telling me that I'm getting it all wrong, then I'm going with my first assumption.

Unfortunately, however easily you think the answer is provided by this method, it remains an invalid answer, since it's a fallacy of equivocation, as has been noted.

If it's the most common one, then this simply illustrates how commonly people are mistaken, since it's the incorrect definition. And since it's not the definition the OP has in mind in any case, using definition two remains a fallacy of equivocation.

No, this isn't clear. Moreover, it's incorrect for the reasons noted, namely that it's a fallacy of equivocation.

This assumes that the original meaning was clear, and then was changed. I contend that the original meaning was the different the entire time in every instance, so this has nothing do with do with a fallacy of equivocation. To do that, I would have to claim first that the first definition was used and then switched to the second. I never made this claim.

Incorrect. The term only appears once in the text, specifically at 170e, where it has the first meaning.

So, you're contending what someone who is superstitious is NOT believing in things that lack evidence? I'm curious: Where in the definition of trust does it apply to superstition?

Incorrect. The OP's meaning coincides with that used by Plutarch, as just noted, and it also coincides with the relevant meaning of the term in this context, as has been noted.

They are indeed. You and the_rukh are the ones using the wrong definition.

The first definition of faith is trust. If you believe that this is the relevant definition, then tell me how. Explain to me how superstitious people exhibit trust in their superstitions and not the second definition of faith.

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