http://deborahkla.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] deborahkla.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics 2011-06-10 08:29 am (UTC)

My apologies for making an incorrect assumption based on this statement you made, which I thought implied that you believed that homosexuality was wrong, particularly since you were so vehement about Lincoln not being homosexual:

The homosexual rumor was started a few years ago by a group with an agenda.

Again, my apologies. I made a flippant remark about what some people would consider President Lincoln's "skeleton." It's obviously been taken entirely the wrong way.

But hey why let facts get in the way of a salacious story?
This is where you made an assumption about me simply for bringing up the subject. I know full well that men who traveled together often shared the same bed in the 19th century and even into the early 20th century For this reason I believe it's silly for people to consider this a "skeleton" in his closet, and I, personally, would have liked him to have the comfort of a lover. This is what I originally stated, and that was when you questioned if I'd read what you wrote, in a rather hostile manner, I might add. Hence my reaction. Again, my apologies. In the past you've declared yourself a member of the religious right, so I had no idea that you did not support their staunch stand against civil rights for homosexuals.

As far as the founding fathers are concerned, they are generally considered to be everyone who signed the constitution, or in some way participated in the founding of America. However,it's also acknowledged that the key founding fathers are considered the men who actually wrote the constitution. The men who wrote the constitution are the ones who actually created the foundation for the USA, and they were NOT religious people. The constituion is the foundation of the country, not the founding fathers themselves, and this is why the there is such a strong declaration against creating a state religion. This is an historical fact, not just an assertion made by someone in a paper:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States

http://www.foundingfathers.info/

http://colonialhall.com/biography.php

http://www.constitutionday.com/constitution-founding-fathers.html

This last link I've included only because it demonstrates how far some members of the religious right will go in attempting to violate the constitution by declaring the united states as a christian country:

http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/laurilebo/4736/david_barton%3A_creationist_founding_fathers_settled_debate_over_evolution/

Again, my apologies for the assumption.

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