Ok first on the alcohol and drugs, why the hell did you even bother mentioning it? I didn't I said manipulative and possibly even coercive behavior. Getting someone drunk when you are not drunk so you can rape them is in fact rape and nothing I have said here or elsewhere would indicate otherwise. Slipping someone a drug without their consent is a crime in and of itself whether a rape is subsequently attempted or not.
The man above you said that the guy "slipping a person another drink" because they felt "entitled" to sex didn't make someone a rapist. You agreed with him in the comment below that. Therefore, it stands to reason, that you didn't feel that getting someone drunk on purpose was rape, which it is.
When someone has expressly said no, any further manipulation to get them to say yes, or any unwanted sexual advancement after that, is sexual assault.
Even granting you the argument though, like I asked Meus above, what is the statute of limitations on a no?I mean if I ask my wife for sex and she says no does that mean I never get to have sex again? Or can I ask her again sometime later? If so how much later? 5 minutes, 20 min, 3 hours, a week, 10 years? Come on, when does "asking again" become rape?
what the fuck does this have to do with anything? If someone says no then you leave them alone. If they change their mind then they'll come to you and say yes. Pretty simple.
Further more why is it that the member of the relationship who does not want sex gets to unilaterally set the terms of the relationship? Is it illegal to have a personal requirement that anyone you are involved with has to sleep with you by the 3rd date and then regularly after that or you're gone? If not does informing your partner of this requirement after the 3rd date automatically turn you into a rapist?
It's not illegal to have a personal requirement. It is illegal to expect someone to fulfill that requirement and then continue to manipulate and intoxicate them until they fulfill said requirement, even after they've expressly said no.
This isn't that hard to understand. And of course people manipulate each other, because most people are really shitty. Doesn't mean it's a good thing.
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The man above you said that the guy "slipping a person another drink" because they felt "entitled" to sex didn't make someone a rapist. You agreed with him in the comment below that. Therefore, it stands to reason, that you didn't feel that getting someone drunk on purpose was rape, which it is.
When someone has expressly said no, any further manipulation to get them to say yes, or any unwanted sexual advancement after that, is sexual assault.
Even granting you the argument though, like I asked Meus above, what is the statute of limitations on a no?I mean if I ask my wife for sex and she says no does that mean I never get to have sex again? Or can I ask her again sometime later? If so how much later? 5 minutes, 20 min, 3 hours, a week, 10 years? Come on, when does "asking again" become rape?
what the fuck does this have to do with anything? If someone says no then you leave them alone. If they change their mind then they'll come to you and say yes. Pretty simple.
Further more why is it that the member of the relationship who does not want sex gets to unilaterally set the terms of the relationship? Is it illegal to have a personal requirement that anyone you are involved with has to sleep with you by the 3rd date and then regularly after that or you're gone? If not does informing your partner of this requirement after the 3rd date automatically turn you into a rapist?
It's not illegal to have a personal requirement. It is illegal to expect someone to fulfill that requirement and then continue to manipulate and intoxicate them until they fulfill said requirement, even after they've expressly said no.
This isn't that hard to understand. And of course people manipulate each other, because most people are really shitty. Doesn't mean it's a good thing.