Obama sues Arizona

[reality-hammer.livejournal.com]

Just when you think the Obama administration disregard for the rule of law couldn't get any worse it sets the bar that much lower.

The government contends that the Arizona law violates the supremacy clause of the Constitution, a legal theory that says federal laws override state laws. It is already illegal under federal law to be in the country illegally, but Arizona is the first state to make it a state crime and add its own punishment and enforcement tactics.

Gosh, in the same way that states pursuing bank robbers usurps the federal laws against bank robbery?

Obama & Co. also seem blissfully unaware that there are dozens of state laws against activities that are illegal at the federal level. Are they going to argue that all of them are invalid?

Obama and holder are giving the Constitution the middle finger and violating the rights of states that are clearly defined in the Constitution as well as ignoring the duties and limitations of the federal government contained in that document.

Do Obama and Holder really think they can pull off something so egregiously anti-American?

I'd love to see counter-suits from states that recognize the federalism defined by the Constitution and which object to the callous disregard for the rule of law being perpetrated by the Obama administration.

It will be amusing to see how many people who claimed that Bush was "shredding the Constitution" stand up and object to a real raping of the rule of law.

So is this the lowest Obama and Holder can go or will we see worse by November?

ETA: court decisions and DOJ analysis. If you read carefully there's an out for Obama to play: declare that immigration laws are not being enforced at the federal level so states cannot enforce them either. It's a move that would satisfy the extremists on his side but pretty much cause a political tsunami against Democrats who continued to support Obama.

Comments

"legalizes racial profiling"

[reality-hammer.livejournal.com]

The Arizona law doesn't do that.

Next?

Re: "legalizes racial profiling"

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

Uh huh.... you been asleep through these discussions or what??

Re: "legalizes racial profiling"

[reality-hammer.livejournal.com]

The fact that you have to lie about the law demonstrates that you understand you can't argue from a position of fact and logic on this matter.

Re: "legalizes racial profiling"

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

Lie? Aren't you the guy who's famous in Franken's book due to your creative charts?

anyway... this has been talked into the ground and I can only assume you've hit your head with your hammer and have amnesia to not remember the issues people object to with that law.

Re: "legalizes racial profiling"

[reality-hammer.livejournal.com]

Yes, a lie. Just like Franken's tantrum about my demonstrating that the spending in the 1980s wasn't because "Reagan got everything he wanted".

Perhaps you're finally beginning to retain some knowledge that you stumble across. That's a good sign.

Re: "legalizes racial profiling"

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

reality_hammer and "credibility" are not words often said together...

you'll pardon me if I remain skeptical of your claims -- *especially* on legal interpretation.

Re: "legalizes racial profiling"

[reality-hammer.livejournal.com]

You've lost every time you've challenged me so I'm not surprised that you continue to use the bluff and bluster rebuttal technique.

Re: "legalizes racial profiling"

[chessdev.livejournal.com]

'Lost' to you? Whatever you're smoking make sure you share it, ok?

You've never MADE a point other than assertion or "creative graphs with no explanations"... kinda hard to lose to a point that was never made.

Open the window...let in some fresh air...clear your head...and try again.

Re: "legalizes racial profiling"

[xforge.livejournal.com]

"Cumulative difference" LOL to death

Re: "legalizes racial profiling"

[jerseycajun.livejournal.com]

I know what the law says in the letter. In practice, it's going to be ridiculous to think that a fair skinned, blond-haired person stopped while driving without a license in Arizona is going to get the same citizenship circumspection that someone with more Hispanic features is going to receive under the same set of circumstances.

This is besides the fact that there is no way to know or have reasonable suspicion that because someone does not have ID on their person when stopped for another reason, that the person is here in violation of immigration law. You practically have to catch the person as they're crossing the border illegally to have that, not when you observe someone already here.

Re: "legalizes racial profiling"

[hannahsarah.livejournal.com]

Refresh my memory. Isn't it illegal to drive without proof of license and insurance?

I'm not being snarky. I don't drive because of disability, so I really have no idea. Maybe you don't need any proof of ID at all to drive. Who knows?

Re: "legalizes racial profiling"

[jerseycajun.livejournal.com]

Yes it is, and that would be evidence and probable cause of the crime of driving without a license. It is not, however, probable cause of being in the country illegally. I have, on multiple occasions, left my wallet in my old pair of pants before leaving the house. I was just fortunate enough not to be pulled over or I too would have been fined for a violation. However, there is no evidence of me having committed any other violation beyond that.

The police do not get to probe you for robbing a bank for not carrying a license to drive either.

Re: "legalizes racial profiling"

[mahnmut.livejournal.com]

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