How many times have you been asked for your social security number, or your driver's license?
I don't see how that's relevant. If a clerk asks to see proof that I am old enough to buy beer (not that that's happened in more than a decade) it is because I am buying beer. The law here requires people to show papers if an officer has "reasonable suspicion" that person is an illegal -- I am asking what that "reasonable suspicion" looks like in practice because there are only a very few circumstances I can think of where it might be reasonable to assume someone is illegal based upon what they are DOING.
There are many countries which ask that foreigners and tourists carry around their passport or ID,
Not relevent -- we do that too. The question is what makes it reasonable for a police officer to approach any person and say "May I see you papers?" especially when they may be subjecting perfectly legal people AND citizens that inspection.
lets talk about Indonesia
No, let's not. This is MY country and the obscene actions of another country doesn't make me unconcerned about the questionable actions of my own.
I sympathize with the possibility of people getting judge by their looks, I do. I'm not saying this law in Arizona was the best available option...
The option between doing nothing and doing this is not a dichotomy with no options in between. And the possibility of both citizens and legal immigrants being caught up in this is not something to sympathize with -- it is something to be outraged at.
The law does stipulate that a cop would need some kind of reasonable suspicion
And for the nth time, I am asking what that would look like in practice. Because I can think of a few very narrow and limited circumstances where someone's ACTIONS may make me suspect his immigration status but those cases are so limited that it makes the law basically useless if cops are limited to them.
no subject
I don't see how that's relevant. If a clerk asks to see proof that I am old enough to buy beer (not that that's happened in more than a decade) it is because I am buying beer. The law here requires people to show papers if an officer has "reasonable suspicion" that person is an illegal -- I am asking what that "reasonable suspicion" looks like in practice because there are only a very few circumstances I can think of where it might be reasonable to assume someone is illegal based upon what they are DOING.
There are many countries which ask that foreigners and tourists carry around their passport or ID,
Not relevent -- we do that too. The question is what makes it reasonable for a police officer to approach any person and say "May I see you papers?" especially when they may be subjecting perfectly legal people AND citizens that inspection.
lets talk about Indonesia
No, let's not. This is MY country and the obscene actions of another country doesn't make me unconcerned about the questionable actions of my own.
I sympathize with the possibility of people getting judge by their looks, I do. I'm not saying this law in Arizona was the best available option...
The option between doing nothing and doing this is not a dichotomy with no options in between. And the possibility of both citizens and legal immigrants being caught up in this is not something to sympathize with -- it is something to be outraged at.
The law does stipulate that a cop would need some kind of reasonable suspicion
And for the nth time, I am asking what that would look like in practice. Because I can think of a few very narrow and limited circumstances where someone's ACTIONS may make me suspect his immigration status but those cases are so limited that it makes the law basically useless if cops are limited to them.