http://steve-potocin.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] steve-potocin.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2010-04-09 12:28 am
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Math and Science....

One of our education system's biggest problems is that there is not enough emphasis on the Maths and Sciences.....America is falling behind in the world because our students are not gaining the necessary knowledge in these fields....

Too much emphasis on useless book learnin and abstruse theories and nto enough on PRACTICAL skills....students shoudl learn about the greatness of the Capitalist system, why Marxism is evil and Socialism doesn't work, how to invest in the stock market, balance their finances...and so on....

Arts and Humanities programs should be defunded since many teachers in those fields only fill students minds with revisionist histories and make them hate their country.....in addition,the skills learned in those fields are not as important as those of MATH and SCIENCE,which are the wave of the future....

Most academics can't even fix a doorknob....and yet they want to advocate for socialism....most of the socialists who support Obama have never ran a business....never done payroll,none of it...

Re: Hate to break it to you...

[identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com 2010-04-09 06:15 am (UTC)(link)
[citation needed]

Re: Hate to break it to you...

[identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com 2010-04-09 06:42 am (UTC)(link)
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From Science magazine.

Re: Hate to break it to you...

[identity profile] mrsilence.livejournal.com 2010-04-09 06:50 am (UTC)(link)
Hotlinked?

Re: Hate to break it to you...

[identity profile] anfalicious.livejournal.com 2010-04-09 09:08 am (UTC)(link)
I fail :P

Re: Hate to break it to you...

[identity profile] mrsilence.livejournal.com 2010-04-09 06:51 am (UTC)(link)
And really?

You need a citation to tell you that most university students and graduates in general tend towards liberalism?

You guys don't disparagingly refer to the so-called liberal intellectual elite for nothing.

Re: Hate to break it to you...

[identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com 2010-04-09 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
That's not what you said. You said specifically more highly educated a person is in Mathematics and Science.

Re: Hate to break it to you...

[identity profile] mrsilence.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 01:46 am (UTC)(link)
I know exactly what I said.

I was asking you if you knew that it was even than that.

Re: Hate to break it to you...

[identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
Apparently you don't know what you said. And that's not what you asked. It appears to me like you're trying to derail the question into something else.

Re: Hate to break it to you...

[identity profile] mrsilence.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 10:10 am (UTC)(link)
BTW, that should say "even (worse) than that."

And what I am saying, if it was not clear is that not only is it the case that higher levels of education in mathematics and science correlates to liberal political tendencies, but as I am sure you already know, university education in general correlates towards liberal political tendencies.

Re: Hate to break it to you...

[identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 05:25 pm (UTC)(link)
And I need a citation for the claim that higher levels of education in math and science correlates to liberal political tendencies.

Re: Hate to break it to you...

[identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com 2010-04-10 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
www.ted.com

Re: Hate to break it to you...

[identity profile] mrsilence.livejournal.com 2010-04-11 07:00 am (UTC)(link)
For next time a conservative wants to argue that particular point with you: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/10/only-six-percent-of-scien_n_229382.html

Re: Hate to break it to you...

[identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com 2010-04-12 06:31 am (UTC)(link)
There's an argument here somewhere? And finally someone gives some kind of citation. It's like pulling teeth trying to get it.

Re: Hate to break it to you...

[identity profile] mrsilence.livejournal.com 2010-04-12 07:04 am (UTC)(link)
Well if you were just idly curious and didn't actually disagree with the assertion, you could have found the link I found once I could be bothered in about 10 seconds flat as well.

Re: Hate to break it to you...

[identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com 2010-04-12 06:29 am (UTC)(link)
And....?

Re: Hate to break it to you...

[identity profile] mrsilence.livejournal.com 2010-04-11 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
Scientists are far more likely to be vote Democrat than Republican: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/10/only-six-percent-of-scien_n_229382.html

I couldn't find anything in a quick search for mathematicians specifically, but given the close correlation between having high levels of mathematical education and scientific careers (which I presume you don't need a citation for), and given the overwhelming tendency towards liberalism in scientists, it's a reasonable inference that mathematically trained persons (a large proportion of which are scientists) would display a strong tendency towards liberalism as well.

Re: Hate to break it to you...

[identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com 2010-04-12 07:29 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it's a pain to search for this, which is why I wanted to have it provided. :)

I haven't found anything specific to particular degrees, but I did find this:
http://dabacon.org/pontiff/?p=539
and this:
http://education-portal.com/articles/College_Students_Express_Anxiety_About_the_Economy.html

As for the Pew study, you would probably do better to link to the actual survey place:
http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1549