ext_36450 ([identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics 2010-04-05 07:41 pm (UTC)

Re: Devil's Advocacy, Ahoy!:

My point is that the only difference between the 19th Century USA and Nazi Germany is that the guys responsible for repeated land grabs, genocide, segregation and slavery both, and wars of imperialism in the Philippines and across a huge swath of Hispano-America and Franco-America wrote the history books. Effectively the American Empire of the present day is the result of one group of bad guys winning and then going soft.

Generalplan Ost was the idea wherein Hitler was going to eradicate most of the Western and Eastern Slavs (I'm not sure if he planned to eliminate the Sorbs or the Slovaks or the Croatians) and replace them with German colonizers.

The relevance of these actions lies first in the psychological legacy, namely that the US government has a long track record of scumminess as regards the Indians, the Filipinos, and the Hawaiians. This scumminess has had no real consequence analogous to what the Germans went through after WWII and is rationalized by US Conservatives, all of it.

Second, you note that the Nazis felt killing Jews was bad. Well, the Western Allies had no compunctions about allying with the USSR, which began the war an ally of the Nazis in the Axis Powers and only switched when Hitler brought his genocidal wars past the border the two had set in Poland. And that war was in a nutshell Communism and Chinese authoritarianism bailing out the liberal democracies. While the West would have indisputably have lost the war without the USSR, calling either the Soviet Union or the Nazi Empire a greater or lesser evil is in the end impossible.

Third, the actions of the United States today still resonate at home in the still-unfinished reparation of the legacy of slavery and segregation, and in the squalid conditions and still-continuing land grabs by whites of Indian land. Also in the stereotypes Asians go through, things like people advocating that the WWII Interments were not only not racist but desirable and attacks on Sikhs because they "look like Arabs." And due to the legacy of scumminess, the USA also felt it could remove guys like Mossadeqh and Saddam Al-Majid without losing a wink of sleep and then paid and continues to pay bitter prices for those actions.

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