ext_97971 ([identity profile] enders-shadow.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2013-10-05 05:56 pm

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Absurd idea for political spending limit:

The amount of money spent on a campaign cannot be more money than will be earned by the candidate in his or her term of tenure. If a position pays 100,000 a year, and is for 2 years, the campaign cannot spend over 200,000. If it's for president, and the presidency pays 400,000 a year, and is for 4 years, the campaign cannot spend over 1.6 million. And so forth for all govt positions.

Never happen, but interesting way to slice the pie. The idea came up watching Jesse Ventura. He says he only raised 300-something thousands in his campaign but earned 480,000(120K/year) in his tenure. So he earned more than he spent to get the job. (I do not believe he meant to imply it was all his money. To be clear, I'd wager that the 300-something thousand dollars he spent were not all his own and he wasn't saying it was.)

It is an interesting point. Spending a million dollars (or more) to get a job that earns you half-million in income? Something odd about that. (To my knowledge, congressional campaigns are like that. They're position is shorter, so they spend a million to earn 300K?)

Now here's a poll. I know some folks will reject this cause freedom of speech, money is speech, but for those of us who think that a limit of money in politics is a good thing to search for (and not an evil to fight against) the question is how or where do we draw the line. What do y'all think about this drawing of the line?

[Poll #1937310]

[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com 2013-10-05 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
But the incumbent and non-incumbent limit is the same, so how would raising pay help?

It wouldn't, it would just remove the teeth from the spirit of it.

Regardless, your idea kneecaps challengers and should be discarded based on that alone.

[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com 2013-10-05 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
You're ensuring that the challenger will be unable to combat the basic name recognition advantage that an incumbent will have, as well as the constituent services that an incumbent can use to keep a high profile. The only way to even that playing field is to open it up as wide as possible.

[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com 2013-10-05 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Cause the only way to build name recognition is as an elected official?

Didn't say that. I'm saying that being an incumbent creates a natural advantage that is padded by arbitrary and unnecessary spending/fundraising limits.

How much did Jesse Ventura's opponent spend I wonder....

We know Ventura only had to spend about $300k, given that he was very famous at the time. See the problem?

[identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com 2013-10-06 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
It's a nice cop out, but until your plan addresses the inherent advantages that incumbency has (never mind the speech issues), you'll never get far.

[identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com 2013-10-06 09:04 am (UTC)(link)
You give up too fast!
/disappoint

[identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com 2013-10-06 09:01 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think Jesse Ventura is the most indicative example in this respect. He already was a prominent name in the public space, way before his political candidature.