Compassion anyone?

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

I cannot understand this whole SNAP debacle that is being played out and talked about. I do not understand how ANYONE can be against feeding the hungry. I am willing to concede that there will be waste and fraud. I cannot imagine what system(s) would not have *some* waste and fraud. That said, waste and fraud are bad, but, let's not go throwing the baby out with the bath water, eh?

Food is NOT an option for people. Neither is water. These two things are HUMAN RIGHTS as far as I am concerned. Nobody, anywhere, should be deprived of access to food and water. And you know what, these things, in their most basic form (ie. basic food staples, not fancy food feasts), should be free. That's right, free. For *every single person*.

I understand that to some cold-hearted demons out there, people only deserve food and water if they *work* for it. Well fuck that. Work is not the pre-requisite, IMO, for food or water. Those should be denied to NOBODY.

I have a question to ask folks here, and I'm not sure I will be able to stomach the responses, but here goes:

Under what circumstances should a hungry person be denied food/water?

Comments

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

It's a simple question. I'm sorry you find it difficult to answer.

[404.livejournal.com]

Anyone in the US dying from Nestle? You can be as verbose as you want to be in your reply.

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

You can answer that by Googling "Nestle" and "death" -- but that wasn't my question. Again, I am sorry that you find it so difficult to respond to a simple query about ethics.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

it's an ideology issue crossed with a PR problem. It's easier to evade.

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

This is what the West gets for throwing the baby of classical education out with the bathwater of Christian imperialism.

[404.livejournal.com]

Googling nestle and death came up with a scare website and a case of a Nestle employee dying in Britain, didn't see anything about Nestle killing people in the US. Are water and foodstuffs a commodity? Is making that statement and that Nestle has a requirement to their stockholders encouraging mass murder?

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

Again, let me express my sorrow at a fellow human being's inability to provide a coherent response to a rather straightforward ethical question.

[404.livejournal.com]

So murder is A-OK if it generates shareholder value?

Can't agree with that.

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

Ah, so we see then that there are in fact social values that trump shareholder value. Our Nestlean brother therefore clearly misspoke.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

"Not murder" is not a social value.

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

So we live in a society that accepts murder. Good to know.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

Thank god, he speaks for himself most of the time. Er nearly all of the time. Mavericky stuff.

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

It is fascinating and sad that people have to tie themselves in knots to defend the position that nothing ethically supersedes the creation of shareholder value.

[enders-shadow.livejournal.com]

Mammon has a tight grip, whatcha expect?

[pastorlenny.livejournal.com]

Dontchoo be talkin bout my Mammon!

[telemann.livejournal.com]

By self professed Christians too!

It's also heart breaking seeing this much ink spilled over essentially a no brainer of an ethical question too. Although I suspect you're seeing a lot low-grade trolling on both posts because of who the two original posters are. In the other post, one person was VERY upset that I brought up Marco Rubio in a thread (the dry mouth speech / bottle water awkward grab off screen incident), and they were outraged because they HAD A VERY DIFFICULT TIME with public speaking. HOW dare we make fun of Marco Rubio!?!

The variance in empathic skills on the two subjects (Marco Rubio's speech gaffe versus hunger and no water) is just astonishing to me.

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

Since I wasn't even trying to do that...

[gunslnger.livejournal.com]

Funny. Your sarcasm still doesn't make it a social value.