It's not elsewhere. It's here. And I'm not grilling you. You know it's an idiom. And yes, I've been reading that other sub-thread and enjoying it very much, but I have no intention to go into that.

I don't know if you're sincere and unlike Luz (probably), I don't really care. You can be insincere all you want. But at least don't derail debates by taking disingenuous positions.