The Right Wing's Idea of "Freedom"

[paft.livejournal.com]

From Statepress:

Arizona House Bill 2625, authored by Majority Whip Debbie Lesko, R-Glendale, would permit employers to ask their employees for proof of medical prescription if they seek contraceptives for non-reproductive purposes, such as hormone control or acne treatment.


‘I believe we live in America. We don’t live in the Soviet Union,’ Lesko said. ‘So, government should not be telling the organizations or mom and pop employers to do something against their moral beliefs.’

Jezebel points out that Arizona is an “at will” state. This means that bosses in Arizona will be able to fire women for being depraved enough to take birth control pills to prevent pregnancy.

As we all know, what made the Soviet Union infamous were not the gulags, its treatment of dissidents, and the rigid control over the press, but the fact that women could take pills for the purpose of contraception without fear of losing their jobs over it.

Yes, here it is -- the right wing's idea of "freedom" is a society where a woman has to ask her boss' permission to use oral contraceptives.

Does anyone else find this more than a little weird?

Crossposted from Thoughtcrimes

Comments

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it happened in 1938/1939 after the second dip. I'm pretty sure I did get back to you on that.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

actually, they happened before the second dip. In fact, they caused it.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

A common myth, yes.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

that they happened after the dip? Yes.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Do you have a response on my asking you whether or not the AA, which you have said was 100% identical to Soviet collectivization, depopulating US states to the tune of a quarter of their population being butchered wholesale by the US Government? To be 100% identical to Soviet collectivization which is what you said, this is what's required, and why I stopped having any respect for you as a human being when you made the original statement.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

I did so here (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/1381463.html?view=110078295#t110078295).

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Your link didn't work, so I'm going to assume this was accidental and not a confession that you really think FDR did deliberately starve to death millions of Americans during the New Deal, which is what Soviet Collectivization did, and what you said was 100% identical in both cases..

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Well, it might work here (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/1381463.html?thread=110078295#t110078295), or you can hit parent a few times. You replied to it with a tangent that I'm not bothering with.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

In your own words, you said that it's 100% accurate that FDR engaged in wholesale collectivization by force of US agriculture. When did FDR's programs result like the USSR's in wholesale famine and the death of 25% of the population of US states?

You said it's 100% accurate that the USA engaged in a massive military build-up, which means you have never read a book on WWII history and how the USA got involved. There was the Neutrality Acts, then Cash and Carry, then Lend-Lease, then the Two-Ocean Navy Act. The USA only engaged in the build-up after the war, the Soviets did theirs before the war and built the largest, most modern army before the war. That is not 100% accurate a description of FDR's and Stalin's policies unless you were blatantly lying and/or had no idea what you're talking about.

Address these points and man up instead of returning to your lies and claiming for all to see that you have no ability to accept responsibility for your own words. It's not an irrelevant tangent, it's directly what you said. Did Sandwichwarrior's family, which fled Soviet mass murder through collectivization, come straight to another mass-murder regimen? Yes or no?

[mrbogey.livejournal.com]

Why do yOu think Jeff should be killed?

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

When did I ever say anything of the sort? I said he's the one that claimed it's an 100% accurate comparison of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_Adjustment_Act and the Soviet Collectivization policy. He's too afraid to admit he's wrong on the Internet. How the flying FUCK did you get he should be killed anywhere from any of that?

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

I absolutely, solemnly, wholeheartedly affirm that I will never, ever think that disagreeing with someone on matters historical over the Internet is a reason they should be killed or threatened in any way. It's a digusting, immoral, illegal, puerile abuse of a discussion matter, and I in all manners, ways, and fashions disavow any statements that could be remotely attributed as such.

[mrbogey.livejournal.com]

Probably the same way you got your claim.

You did say he's not human. Just like how Jeff didn't say FDR=Stalin.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Where did I say he wasn't human? When did I ever say that not-human = mandate to kill?

I noticed this one claim:

meaning the forcible collectivization of US farms, a massive military build-up and a system of centralized economic planning with mandated state quotas, and NKVD-led enforcement of said quotas.

Now, what I said was that they're "more similar than you're willing to admit." Where does this leave the rest?

Forced collectivization of US farms? The Agricultural Adjustment Acts fill that void fine for me.

And this is what the Soviet collectivization was:
http://www.amazon.com/Harvest-Sorrow-Soviet-Collectivization-Terror-Famine/dp/0195051807

I will never, ever agree that the Agricultural Adjustment Act being claimed to be the same as this is 100% accurate. That you do leads me to think that I'm frankly entirely lost as to how it's remotely possible to claim this.

I repeat, did the USA engage in wholesale deliberate inducement of artificial famines in the 1930s?

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Actually it didn't happen then or later. In 1938-9 Americans weren't focused on the New Deal so much as the latest Hollywood films, and certainly weren't in the least concerned about Japan's barbarism in Asia and the beginning of Germany's barbarism in Europe. In fact, as I remember, the 1940s version of the Tea Party vehemently and totally opposed US entry into either war because it would cost money.

[kylinrouge.livejournal.com]

No, you didn't. You told me that FDR was packing the court (he didn't) and that the SCOTUS was illegitimate and thusly the New Deal legislation doesn't count because you personally believed it was unconstitutional.

Go ahead and tell me how The New Deal was dismantled in 1938/1939. You never told me about that.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I'm gonna need a cite on that.

[kylinrouge.livejournal.com]

On what? Your claim that FDR was packing the court? Or your idea that the US government hasn't been following the Constitution since 1933? I'm not sure how to search for these things. I wouldn't have said it if I wasn't 100% positive.

And I'm still waiting on your explanation vis a vis the whole 1938/1939 thing. You're the one that offered it as an excuse.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

Specifically, that I said what you think I said. I'm sure you think you're 100% positive, but underlankers thinks he is too, and the record doesn't support him at all.

[kylinrouge.livejournal.com]

I asked you to show me how to search for these things. Interestingly, you're not denying that you said these things, but that I'm not "understanding" you correctly. I'll take that as a tacit admittance and ignore your usual diversionary tactics until I'm informed of how to search for the comments in question.

And I'm still waiting on your explanation vis a vis the whole 1938/1939 thing. You're the one that offered it as an excuse.

[badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com]

If you have gmail, a quick mail search for my username and whatever it is you think I said should work.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

And just to be clear-is this stating that FDR and the New Deal was Stalinist, meaning the forcible collectivization of US farms, a massive military build-up, a secret police empowered to murder its way through everything it wanted to, a gigantic set of slave-labor camps that were the biggest employer in the system, and a system of centralized economic planning with mandated state quotas, and NKVD-led enforcement of said quotas. You are saying that this was the FDR Administration, am I correct?

To which you responded in the following fashion:

Pretty much. The only parts that aren't 100% accurate are the secret police and the slave-labor camps. I'm not sure the internment camps actually involved slave labor.

No, the reality of your own words supports me.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Actually FDR threatened to pack the Court and thus ensured it backed down on a lot of what it was doing, he just never actually packed it. If Jeff actually said he went ahead and did it, it belongs in the "AA slaughtered a quarter of the population of US states" category of nonsense.

[kylinrouge.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I know he threatened to do it, but jeff went on to say that not only did he do it, but that the subsequent SCOTUS upheld legislation that the previous SCOTUS tore down, even though I looked at history and noticed that not a single Justice had changed in that period of time.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Ah. So that belongs with the "Agricultural Association was identical to the All-USSR Terror Famine" school of nonsense.