ext_45084 ([identity profile] essius.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2012-03-09 02:52 pm
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Invisible Children, Kony 2012, and criticisms

The other day I noticed the Kony 2012 video by Invisible Children that has been receiving a great deal of attention on the Internet as of late (it’s received over 56 million views on YouTube). I watched the video and was immediately curious. Evidently, the video has received multiple lines of serious criticism. No one denies, of course, that Joseph Kony must be brought to justice. But Invisible Children’s methods (and in some respects even intent) are highly questionable. I’ll mention just a few of the criticisms brought against the film and the movement.

Chris Blattman, a Poly Sci & Econ Assistant Professor at Yale, argues not only against the style of the film (“the hipster tie and cowboy hat” and the “macho bravado” tend to detract from the message) but also against the notion of rescuing or saving African children: “It hints uncomfortably of the White Man’s Burden. Worse, sometimes it does more than hint. The savior attitude is pervasive in advocacy, and it inevitably shapes programming.” One result, says Blattman, “is a lot of dangerously ill-prepared young people embarking on missions to save the children of this or that war zone. At best it’s hubris and egocentric. More often, though, it leads to bad programs, misallocated resources, or ill-conceived military adventures.” Finally, Blattman is also troubled by the film showing the faces of child soldiers, as well as implying (erroneously and incredibly) that the US and Invisible Children “were instrumental in getting the peace talks to happen.”

Grant Oyston, Sociology and Poly Sci student at Acadia University, has made several criticisms—such as the fact that “[m]ilitary intervention may or may not be the right idea, but people supporting KONY 2012 probably don’t realize they’re supporting the Ugandan military who are themselves raping and looting away” (q.v.)—and also provided links to many others as well. Among the latter, perhaps the most important are lawyers Kate Cronin-Furman and Amanda Taub’s article, “Solving War Crimes With Wristbands: The Arrogance of ‘Kony 2012’,” which raises methodological criticisms, and writer Joshua Keating’s post “Joseph Kony is not in Uganda (and other complicated things),” whose chief argument is that IC “has made virtually no effort to inform” concerning important details (such as where Kony is located, where the LRA’s members are currently distributed, and how many “mindless child soldiers” the LRA presently has).

Author Michael Deibert helpfully lays out some of the important historical details and concludes with another heavy charge against IC: “By blindly supporting Uganda’s current government and its military adventures beyond its borders, as Invisible Children suggests that people do, Invisible Children is in fact guaranteeing that there will be more violence, not less, in Central Africa.”

My father, a retired juvenile hall peace officer, was also pretty critical of the video and, in addition to some of the familiar criticisms, he said it “seemed to violate some pretty serious child rearing tenets, i.e., ‘tis not good to expose a child to an adult’s world as it robs them of their childhood, etc.; and, beyond that it seemed to prepare the film maker’s kid to early indoctrination (and believe me, he’ll get that soon enough as kindergarten is just around the corner for that boy)…”

Meanwhile, IC has responded to some of the above criticisms, and the group certainly has its defenders (e.g.), but it would seem IC has yet to address one of the main claims many are raising: that it is working with groups that are guilty of the same atrocities as the LRA.

Here is another recent source attempting to make sense of the issue.

I’m still wading through some of the various criticisms and IC’s response, but I tend to think IC’s basic motives are pure, but their methods and strategic intent are questionable and in various ways even dangerous. What do you think?

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2012-03-10 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
Yadda yadda yadda.

All this is an excuse to avoid facing up to the reality that these guys are Christians. Orthodox Catholics do that *now*, what with the Nazis having killed off most of Western Judaism. If you want to erase the medieval history and modern history of Christian anti-Semitism and complicity in wholesale atrocities, so be it. It just confirms you as a moral coward and hypocrite afraid to admit that Tomas de Torquemada, Henry, Duke of Guise, founder of the Catholic League, the architects of the great Pogroms from the 11th-20th Centuries, and the like who were indeed pious Christians were in fact Christians.

But I don't think this is an argument in good faith anyhow.

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2012-03-10 01:59 pm (UTC)(link)
So I suppose God allowed false agents of Satan to occupy the See of Rome during the Medieval ages, did He? God's not a very effective policeman of His Church, then.

See these quotes by Popes and two of the Gospels:

"And most falsely do these Christians claim that the Jews have secretly and furtively carried away these children and killed them, and that the Jews offer sacrifice from the heart and blood of these children, since their law in this matter precisely and expressly forbids Jews to sacrifice, eat, or drink the blood, or to eat the flesh of animals having claws. This has been demonstrated many times at our court by Jews converted to the Christian faith: nevertheless very many Jews are often seized and detained unjustly because of this. We decree, therefore, that Christians need not be obeyed against Jews in a case or situation of this type, and we order that Jews seized under such a silly pretext be freed from imprisonment, and that they shall not be arrested henceforth on such a miserable pretext, unless-which we do not believe-they be caught in the commission of the crime. We decree that no Christian shall stir up anything new against them, but that they should be maintained in that status and position in which they were in the time of our predecessors, from antiquity till now.

^Blood Libel

I know that you are descendants of Abraham; yet you seek to kill me, because my word finds no place in you. I speak of what I have seen with my Father, and you do what you have heard from your father. They answered him, "Abraham is our father." Jesus said to them, "If you were Abraham's children, you would do what Abraham did. ... You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. But, because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Which of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is you are not of God.

^John, showing Jesus's love for the Jews.

And Matthew:

"His blood be on us and our children", the rationale for many a pious Christian to butcher innoncent women and children for Jesus.

And last but not least, there's the brutal Jew-hatred at the root of Protestantism, and the strand of pious Christian rulers who invariably expelled Jews from Western Europe, the last two of which were the very same Los Reyes Catolicos who began Generalplan West and the extermination of Native Americans, also done for Christian purposes to civilize the heathen savages. As though endiing human sacrifice to replace it with arbeit macht frei is some moral improvement.

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2012-03-10 10:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a response, I'm just engaging in a conversation with someone that doesn't admit the response is there. Which describes 99% of my interactions with a certain stripe of ideologue.

1) No, I define religion in terms of lived belief over professed belief. The spirit of Christianity is that of the destructive, annihilating vacuum that consumes all, giving little. The Church has burned books, buried scholars, and exterminated entire peoples. The Church created the largest religious war in human history. Only because it's Christianity this is all neglected and given various excuses under the No True Scotsmen fallacy.

2) No. The Founder of the religion does not, especially since His Followers only needed a generation to start whining about the Jews as Christ-Killers and to butcher them with impunity whenever opportunity presented itself. For the Jew, the Christian is the menace. The Muslims are capable of being friendly in sincerity, good faith between the Church and the Synagogue didn't exist until post-1945.

3) No True Scotsmen and moral cowardice, evading a point so you don't have to answer it. Answer the question, friend. This is called evading the question, using the No True Scotsman fallacy to do it. You're just too much of a coward to admit that when these men sincerely thought they were avenging deicide they were perfectly pious in it. This is how the Church that introduced disputations, Blood-Purity Laws, the Ghettoes, the vicious savage Pogrom, and the expulsion of Jews time after time against the express wishes of the state lies merrily about what it really is. The Church to the Jews is Torquemada, not St. Francis.

4) Again, this is an excuse and an evasion. I provide you with Jesus's words and you immediately leap to deny them the universality in the statement.

5) Don't ask me that, I'm not the one trivializing and minimizing 2,000 years of massacre, hatred, and oppression.

[identity profile] jerseycajun.livejournal.com 2012-03-11 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
You seem to be setting a very poor tone in this thread. Wouldn't you rather simply walk away and take a deep breath? That sounds nice, doesn't it?

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2012-03-11 04:24 am (UTC)(link)
Well, given my original point was that people don't care about Christian terrorism, and the other guy's points are "split hair x and hair y" he's been proving my actual point the whole time.

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2012-03-11 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
Let me rephrase one thing: if his response had been something more to the effect of "Yes, the Church should make it clear they entirely condemn this kind of thing and dissociate themselves from it entirely" or something like that, I'dve been fine. Instead he starts hairsplitting in classic Photian style instead of simply saying "These guys are bad and they give Christianity a bad name" and moving on. People's lives killed by such "heroes of the faith" mean more this kind of inanity on the Internet.

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[identity profile] jerseycajun.livejournal.com 2012-03-11 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
That's nice, but tell me how beginning with "Blah, blah, blah..." and "Yadda, yadda, yadda...", as well as making the argument personal in calling him a coward, were critical to proving those points.

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[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2012-03-11 04:12 am (UTC)(link)
1) This is a thread on Christian genocide, so yeah, the negative side of Christianity takes precedence. I realize it's odd to respond with comments germane to this topic but it's so all the same. In a thread on genocide negative responses are to be expected. If this were a matter of Christian art or wank about how the Church is evil for ruining Rome, this'd be different but when we're discussing the Lord's Resistance Army this is evading the question.

2) Quit evading my questions. I'm talking about 2,000 years of sustained bigotry and massacre. You seem to be either incapable or unwilling to address this point. God killed people for cheating on their tithes in the 1st Generation in the Church, but He promotes butchers and monsters to the Papacy. Thus, we can conclude God approved.

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2012-03-11 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
3) Yes, as you want to talk about something completely unrelated to the thread, namely how because you say so the entirety of Church tradition of bashing them Christ-Killing Jews didn't happen. Thing is it did, and you offer not one point to refute any of my points, even when there would some more obvious ones that have yet to be brought up.

4) "Woe to you blind guides who strain out gnats but swallow a camel."

5) EXCEPT WE'RE DISCUSSING THE LORD'S RESISTANCE ARMY. WHAT IS THE RELEVANCE OF CHRISTIANITY'S GOOD SIDE IN THIS DISCUSSION?

Perhaps the all-caps will make the point clear.

And no, I'm not at all denying your evidence, I'm simply noting that Romans 2 sees Paul lay the claim that Jews aren't real Jews unless they agree with him:

Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and boast in God; 18 if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; 19 if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of little children, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— 21 you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? 22 You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who boast in the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? 24 As it is written: “God’s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”[b]

25 Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised. 26 So then, if those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? 27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the[c] written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.

28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

While the Bible in the New Testatement is filled with grotesque anti-Jewish bigotry. This shit didn't come out of nowhere, it's the cowardice of the Church in the wake of the gas chambers that kept it from being otherwise.

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2012-03-10 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)
6) As I'm not the one claiming that 2,000 years of genocidal thuggery and horrors done to the Jews by the pious Christians and Defenders of the Faith are not really important, I don't know. I'm not the one, after all, claiming genocide doesn't matter.

7) None of the examples I've raised are Protestant. And this is excluding the Russian Orthodox Church.......

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2012-03-11 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
7) That's not specific examples, that's just noting it's there.

8) What's the evidence that anyone has such a thing in the real world? Most Christians couldn't tell you the difference between Trinitarianism and Arianism and I guarantee you most ones here haven't read the BIble enough to know what Onanism, the Sin of Lot, and the phrase Ananias and Saphira means. This stuff might fly in a Christianity community, but this one isn't one. The burden of proof is on you, not me.

And yes, you would be as this is every Christian nowadays. The Church says gays are icky but ignores greed and anger and other more pressing, individual sins. The Bible says interest is evil, slavery is good, and the concept of kings is bad, while never once mentioning anything like democracy. Nobody cares about this, so yes, people pick and choose all the time in the real world, and this is excluding that outside evangelicalism nobody uses the Bible alone in Exegesis in the first place.

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2012-03-10 02:01 pm (UTC)(link)
The same Disciples who said the Jews claimed his blood was on them and their children, claimed Jews' fathers were the Devils, and portray Jews as unthinking and unreasoning brutes opposed to Jesus in the Gospels? But all this obscures that there's not a scrap of argument here, just emotional knee-jerking against calling Africa's Charlemagne and Hong Xiuquan a Christian. There's much sound and fury, signifying nothing.

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2012-03-10 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Christ said the Jews' father was the Devil and the Gospels state that Christ's blood will be on them and their children. Christian Anti-Semitism wasn't considered an aberration until Hitler went "Just kill them all" and then they decided maybe it was time to rein the "perfidious Deiciders" rhetoric.

Anti-Semitism is perfectly consistent with Christianity, as I keep illustrating. But those who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel aren't interested in the fruits of the Christian spirit, which weren't in this regard limited to Jews.

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2012-03-11 01:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Which leaves unanswered the question of how the Church so rapidly developed the "When I am fighting against the Jew I am doing the work of the Lord" mentality. Where did it come from if God is the true author of the Church and as per the NT willing to Himself ensure the death of heretics?