ext_12976 ([identity profile] rick-day.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2012-01-06 04:17 pm
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The Game Changer?

Hit the Mitt!

Well, it looks like Mitt Romney has been playing the "Selective Family Album" game and kinda/sorta/oppsies forgot to tell everyone he is 1/4 Mexican.

And just did why did Mitt's father flee Mexico for the safety of the US?

In his public life Mitt Romney has said and written little about his ancestors' history in Mexico.  In one oft-repeated quote he said his family left the U.S. for Mexico to escape persecution for their religious beliefs.

In fact, Romney's great grandfather, Miles Park Romney, led that first expedition to escape not persecution but prosecution for polygamy, or what Mormons called ‘plural marriage.’

Well, this is rather awkward, from a race standpoint. So we have the Southern US. There is a strong showing of rather simple minded voters who are Crusading Voters for Christ and All Other Things White™.

Who they going to vote for. Mitt the Mex? Barrak the Magic Negro?

Or maybe that white guy Gary Johnson, the only real social liberal/fiscal conservative in the race.

God DAMN I love Southern Idiocracy.

Question: Game changer? If Mitt embraces his SOTB roots, will this swing brown skins to his camp? WILL ANYONE DEMAND TO SEE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

ETA: This just in! Cain demands to know more about this polygamy thing!

[identity profile] paedraggaidin.livejournal.com 2012-01-07 02:23 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I dream of a day when all Americans will be respectful and civil towards the religious beliefs (or lack thereof) of their fellow citizens.

Judging from comments like this, religious fundamentalists and intolerant atheists both will continue to push that day farther and farther away.

[identity profile] peristaltor.livejournal.com 2012-01-07 03:11 am (UTC)(link)
I'm far from an intolerant atheist. Most of my faithful friends and acquaintances don't know where I stand on religion. I just smile and nod politely when they talk of churchy stuff.

Then again, I have to be polite, don't I? A majority of Americans of faith consider me the lowest of scum. While you and I might share the vision represented in your first sentence in principal, in reality I find myself occasionally having to speak up and represent when "them godless folks" get maligned publicly.

I often find after I speak up, afterward I actually get closer to those that complain of the godless forces. I get the feeling (and have been told) that no one actually seems proud of atheism, so no one has actually told them of atheist beliefs. When they find such a mellow guy getting riled up on this one topic and out of the blue "coming out" as it were, it gives them a human face to place on the whole nebulous concept of "the other" out there to get "us." Like a well-liked relative or friend who comes out, these people seem to have more charitable thoughts toward the godless, something that wouldn't happen at all if I remained always polite and respectful . . . "tolerant" of the bashing I get, as you put it.

[identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com 2012-01-07 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
"A majority of Americans of faith consider me the lowest of scum"

Even considering this is the internet, I think that's a bit hyperbolic! I mean, I doubt quite seriously that the majority of Americans of faith even know you. Not to mention out of the scores (if not hundreds) of atheists I have known over the years, I can only think of maybe two that I thought of as scum, and atheism didn't even enter the equation.

[identity profile] peristaltor.livejournal.com 2012-01-07 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, I was being a bit hyperbolic. I was referring, though, not to how people view me, but how they view atheists and agnostics in general. The picture ain't pretty (http://www.religioustolerance.org/atheist8.htm):

In her book, "The Last Taboo," Author Wendy Kaminer referred to an unidentified survey published in the 1980's. It showed that almost 70% of Americans agreed that freedom of religion applies "to all religious groups, regardless of how extreme their ideas are." But only 26% agreed that Atheists should be given freedom of speech to ridicule religion and God, "no matter who might be offended." 71% believed that Atheists "who preach against God and religion" should not be permitted to rent or otherwise use civic auditoriums i.e. lecture halls supported by general taxation.

(I emphasized.)


And that was from a religious website after a quicky Googling.

I see this as an echo chamber effect. People gather together and discuss. Those who aren't in the gathering don't get a place at the discussion, and are therefore absent to defend their position when topics pertaining to them arise. The more people chat within their groups, the less dissenting voices even enter their worldview. This is how demonization starts, IMNSHO.

That's why I speak up, not to be a prick, but to represent views many have never considered. That's also why the current kerfuffle over the New Atheists is largely missing the point: Yes, they're vocal and abrasive, dismissive and the like. But their points need to be considered whether or not others feel they need to consider them.