http://kardashev.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] kardashev.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2012-01-06 10:59 am
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Cyberarchy: Yea or Nea?

A lot of people fear the idea of an artificial intelligence taking over the world and making decisions for the human race or wiping us out. You know, like the AI super-intelligences in The Matrix or Terminator. In fact, this is probably where they get their fear from. They even seem to fear a friendly AI running things. And yes, I know that AI might never become reality but for the sake of arguments assume that it can happen and that by virtue of always knowing the answer to a question it will come to rule us. At least in the de facto sense and probably de jure, as well.

Seriously, why fear a friendly AI? It will be hardwired to act in our own best interests. Human politicians aren't hardwired in this way. You won't be able to bribe such an AI. Or tempt it with sex. Or play on non-existent prejudices, petty grudges, or deeply rooted hatreds. It will have only cold hard logic to guide it after we turn it on. If the issue is "We need to provide food, shelter, and medical care for everybody" it will give us a completely unbiased answer of whether it is possible and how best to accomplish this. It may not give us a utopia(Hell, it may very well tell us that utopia is a pipe dream) but I bet it will be a lot more effective than letting human politicians and bureaucrats run things.

I think the real reason people fear the idea of an AI takeover is that they hate being told when a dream is impossible to achieve. Or that their ideas are demonstrably wrong. It's sort of like how the Maoists liked to put people in jail for being educated.

But me? Hell yeah, point me to the Machine God that I may hear something accurate for a change.

[identity profile] abomvubuso.livejournal.com 2012-01-06 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
This translates as "Vkiµ­5V›YZ•%"...

[identity profile] skull-bearer.livejournal.com 2012-01-06 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
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[identity profile] skull-bearer.livejournal.com 2012-01-06 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
And toy robots. Don't forget the robots.

[identity profile] mahnmut.livejournal.com 2012-01-06 05:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes please!

[identity profile] kayjayuu.livejournal.com 2012-01-06 05:28 pm (UTC)(link)
And if it decides with cold, hard logic that you as a seventy-year old are less likely to benefit than several small babies in whatever survival circumstances Datamaster is spitting out its logical figures, you'll just walk right into the light, wontcha?

[identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com 2012-01-06 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Only people who have no direct experience with IT make claims about the accuracy thereof.

[identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com 2012-01-06 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
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[identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com 2012-01-06 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Just click...

http://interaxon.ca/

[identity profile] onefatmusicnerd.livejournal.com 2012-01-06 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Best Response!

[identity profile] kayjayuu.livejournal.com 2012-01-06 05:49 pm (UTC)(link)
So now it's a baby killer. I feel so much better!

[identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com 2012-01-06 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Are you so quick to forget the Butlerian Jihad?

[identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com 2012-01-06 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Ray Kurzweil, the guy who invented flat bed scanners (initially to read documents for visually disabled people), and created a synthesizer when he was in his teen age years, and computer whiz kid literally, would disagree very vehemently.

[identity profile] pastorlenny.livejournal.com 2012-01-06 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I know Kurzweil. It might be useful to differentiate between inventing technology and understanding IT -- which is how organizations actually assimilate and utilize technology. The futurists have never been right about that. Not once.

[identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com 2012-01-06 06:04 pm (UTC)(link)
That's an ironic criticism, since one of his companies does precisely that: advises other companies on what you define as IT.

[identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com 2012-01-06 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Should they have been?

[identity profile] allhatnocattle.livejournal.com 2012-01-06 06:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Right now they have developed technology to move computer games on screen, like a helicopter that you move up, down, left and right with just your thoughts.

Turns out these "instructions" are rather simple to recognize using MRI technology, but it gets better. An explosion has a distinctly recognizable brain pattern regardless of the user.

The task now is to recognise other things in brain pattern and write a dictionary of sorts. And so the brain could recognize a daffodil or a rose and the program would correctly identify it. And because there are thousands if not millions of flower types, the dictionary would attempt to be intuitive... able to recognise that a chrysanthemum is not a rose or a daffodil, but has similar features.

For now they are concentrating on nouns, but colours too. Verbs (actions) will be forthcoming.

It's like one day we'll have Robocops downtown Detroit!

[identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com 2012-01-06 06:09 pm (UTC)(link)
See, Lenny's above criticism surprised me for the direction it took. I have seen the documentary on the Coming Singularity; and neurologists are critical of Kurweil's predictions about A.I. and humans with super duper brains, because at a fundamental level, he doesn't understand neurology. I could see that as a legitimate criticism.

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