ext_90803 ([identity profile] badlydrawnjeff.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2011-09-01 04:59 pm
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An interesting finding in recent polling on social issues. I'll let this piece give the details:

Americans are now evenly split on same-sex marriage: 47 percent support marriage rights for gays and lesbians, and 47 percent oppose them. That stalemate won't last long—critics of gay unions are dying off. According to a new report from the Public Religion Research Institute, only 31 percent of Americans over age 65 support gays getting hitched, compared to 62 percent of Americans under 30.

But strong millennial support for gay marriage has not translated into an uptick in acceptance of other sexual freedoms, like the right to an abortion. The Public Religion Research Institute notes that popular support for keeping abortion legal has dipped a percentage point since 1999, and young Americans are not swelling the ranks of abortion rights supporters. Today, while 57 percent of people under 30 see gay sex as "morally acceptable," only 46 percent of them would say the same thing about having an abortion.

The institute calls this a "decoupling of attitudes." Support for same-sex marriage and abortion rights have traditionally gone hand-in-hand, and that's changing. Though young people today are "more educated, more liberal, and more likely to be religiously unaffiliated" than their parents—all factors traditionally correlated with support of abortion rights—they are not actually more likely to support abortion.


The article goes on to give some reasons as to why this decoupling is occurring, but I believe the issue is much more simple than that - gay marriage, as it is, has been a reality for millennials (folks ages 19-29) for most of their politically/socially aware lives now, and they see quite clearly how the issue really doesn't matter - gay people getting married doesn't impact their straight marriages, or their lives at all, really. There's no harm involved. The difference with abortion is that the harm involved remains self-evident - at the end of the day, we know how many abortions occur, and such "decoupling," as it were, likely reflects that difference. I also speculate that many do not see the abortion issue as one of "rights," but rather one of life. That those who self-identify as pro-life remains competitive ideologically with those who self-identify as pro-choice for the first time in a while may be a sign of that.

Why do you think these issues are separating? Should they truly be falling under the same social umbrella? What am I missing here?

Re: Perhaps you may should call abortion a Human Rights issue

[identity profile] raichu100.livejournal.com 2011-09-03 05:03 pm (UTC)(link)
"A statement in these circumstances that allows for zero variation in thought of a large number of people is flawed on the face of it."

And here you run into the consistent and oft-used fallacy in Underlankers' arguments. -.- He likes being able to put people in boxes, I think.

Re: Perhaps you may should call abortion a Human Rights issue

[identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com 2011-09-03 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
No more than anyone else. I'm just blunt about it. I don't post one-liners accusing other people of illiteracy and never explaining what literacy looks like despite being asked to do so. I go into entire paragraphs about why people who disagree with me are both wrong and morally defective.

Re: Perhaps you may should call abortion a Human Rights issue

[identity profile] raichu100.livejournal.com 2011-09-03 09:31 pm (UTC)(link)
The thoroughness of your arguments has nothing to do with the fallacy of assuming that everyone in a given group is exactly the same.

Re: Perhaps you may should call abortion a Human Rights issue

[identity profile] jerseycajun.livejournal.com 2011-09-06 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
And it's no less fallacious when others do it as when you do. That you do so knowing how fallacious it is apparently, takes it to another level. One can excuse a fool for being blind to the plank in his own eye, but to the one who is aware of it and persists anyway? That's more insidious.