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Because you knew someone was going to go there, didn't you?

Doctors question Perry's stem cell back treatment

He calls it innovative. Others call it a big risk. In any case, the stem cell procedure that Texas Gov. Rick Perry had last month was an unusual experiment to fix a common malady: a bad back. ... The treatment carries potential risks ranging from blood clots to infection to cancer and may even run afoul of federal rules, doctors say. At least one patient died of a clot hours after an infusion of fat-derived stem cells outside the United States. It's not clear how much of this Perry might have known.

Oh, here's one West Texan ultra-conservative Christian fundie beloved Savior governor (on the other hand, some have called him Bush on steroids), who'd probably support stem cell research, eh? I wonder what does God think of stem cell research. Funny, how all your principles suddenly become moot, not to mention what Jesus whispers in your ear, as soon as the shit you're talking about actually starts affecting YOU.

Some more curious stuff related to this story:

(From the same article...)

Perry, the newest GOP presidential candidate, has access to the best possible care and advice. Yet he and his doctor chose a treatment beyond mainstream medicine: He had stem cells taken from fat in his own body, grown in a lab and then injected into his back and his bloodstream during a July 1 operation to fuse part of his spine.

When your back doesn't allow you a single calm night to sleep comfortably in your bed, and when your lower back starts hurting you like hell only after a couple hours standing upright at a meeting, suddenly socialized health care ceases to look that bad of a thing; what's more, now even the most innovative, almost-fringe fields in medicine that are controversial even among the scientists themselves, are OK to be explored and potentially benefited from.

However, there's something more to that story.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2011/08/20/doctors_wary_of_perrys_stem_cell_treatment/

Perry “exercised poor judgment’’  to try it, said Dr. George Q. Daley of Children’s Hospital Boston and the Harvard Stem Cell Institute. “As a highly influential person of power, Perry’s actions have the unfortunate potential to push desperate patients into the clinics of quacks’’  who are selling unproven treatments “for everything from Alzheimer’s to autism.’’

Never mind the possible consequences for larger groups of people who follow every word their revered leader utters, and every gesture he makes, and who are ready to follow him anywhere no matter what, because he's their new chosen Messiah. Even if that "somewhere" prematurely turns out to be right into the waiting arms of Our Beloved Boss up there in the sky. Win-win?

Gov. Perry's stem cell 'treatment' sends wrong message


If presidential candidate ignores evidence-based medicine for himself, what could it mean for the country?

But really. What kind of impression does this guy make on you? Is he Bush v.2.0, or is he something completely different?

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Date: 20/8/11 16:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
My original statement was that the ban affected all stem cell research. Some proved incapable of reading comprehension and viewed it otherwise. My assertion as originally written was never this. Ask Bogey where he got that idea, not me.

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Date: 20/8/11 16:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
Well, even under those conditions it is still wrong. The ban never affected embryonic stem cell research that wasn't funded by the Federal Government. Unless you mean "affected" in some squishy way that can be molded to fit any set of results positive, negative or neutral. In that case, sure. Everything affects everything, man, the butterfly effect, ya know?

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Date: 20/8/11 19:06 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Or unless what I really mean is that the ban on embryonic stem cell research affected the entirety of such research by giving all of it a stigma. But hey, ya'll were the ones who done read that as saying I said it was all banned.

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Date: 20/8/11 20:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
In other words, "the butterfly effect"

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Date: 21/8/11 00:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com
Obama was born in Kenya...

and by born I mean, where is the soul really "born", man?

Appropriate icon is appropriate:

Date: 21/8/11 00:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
That's not the butterfly effect. The butterfly effect is part of chaos theory. This is noting that banning some stem cell research put all of it into a cloud, which is human nature.

Re: Appropriate icon is appropriate:

Date: 21/8/11 01:08 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
The butterfly effect is something from physics, human nature is not physics, and in any case I should note that my statements have all been simple and related to objective reality, and I have yet to see a single answer as opposed to evasion to said questions. I have seen ample citing of an executive order and thus far nobody has bothered to answer the part about "So this executive council mentioned in said order, did it leave any of its recommendations for someone to look at." Instead I am referred to the order as though my question asked for the entire fifth declension of Latin verbs in the original script.

D'oh:

Date: 21/8/11 01:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Make that Latin *nouns*, verbs are conjugated.

Re: Appropriate icon is appropriate:

Date: 21/8/11 01:44 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
Well I suppose I could go read the whole thing all over, but ya know it's your own fault for being actually serious, and sticking to the subject, specifically, nobody is used to that.

As for me, my icon was in "retaliation" for your icon, my oh, ok was actually for the explanation of the "butterfly effect" I have heard it used in several different contexts, and was not aware (confesses ignorance) that it was that specific.

I suppose you have a point, I remember, the hullabaloo about Bush, and iirc he was actually the first pres to fund stem cell research. Iirc one of the first things Obama did was sign an executive order to expand said research. Now whether or not the money for either of those executive orders was actually provided (which seems to be your point of contention) I couldn't tell you, which is one reason I stayed out of the discussion, except to insert snark comment :D

Re: Appropriate icon is appropriate:

Date: 21/8/11 11:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Neither, it seems, has anyone else.

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