I'll just post it here

[zzerzonat.livejournal.com]

URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jUU3yCy3uI&feature=player_embedded

I know many of You live in US. Can you explain to the outsider what is that. I am particularly interested if the police guys will be sued for violating US constitution or it is something with the ppl they arrest?

Comments

[blue-mangos.livejournal.com]

Can we get some backstory on this video please? It would go a long way towards forming a response.

[zzerzonat.livejournal.com]

Read the thread it is there.

[htpcl.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry, you'll have to provide some context. In your own words. A lengthy tractate is not required, and yet a line essentially saying "Hey, can you tell me what this is?" wouldn't work either. The usual required standard is somewhere in the middle between those.

By the way you're now given the standard 1 hour time to amend the post so it could stay. You might also like to take a look at the community rules, particularly #8. Thank you in advance.

[rick-day.livejournal.com]

With all due respect, we have a foreign individual to our country sees what appears to be an obvious and well documented incident.

I know you are a person of authority here, but in this case, you should cut the poster a bit of slack, given the broken English but very valid questions.

There are always mitigating circumstances, and if you can't understand his question, wait for my response to him, and then maybe you will get enough info to not delete it.

Thanks

RD

[luzribeiro.livejournal.com]

Please let it stay. An elaboration has been provided (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/1021870.html?thread=80729774#t80729774) and rick_day has saved the post.

[zzerzonat.livejournal.com]

Well.. Here is the deal. I read my "friends" and one of the top bloggers (30k+ readers) post this video with kinda the same point as mine - there happened to be an accident in US. I did not find the direct link to the English article but it seems to be pretty clear from the video that cops are pressing the mobs. I mean seriously this accident has no explanation to me since I lived in US a total of 7-8 months and not in a row. So for me this have either two options either this was a careful provocation originating from knowledge of some territorial rules which I do not know OR this was an action of rude use of force not allowed by the constitution.

Like.. I read you guys for a long-long time and do not take part simply because I do not like language trolling of any sort and usually I am "not in the topic". So is this accident can be describe like "Restoring Sanity" action or more of a conspirology Russian provocation.

We all know that in Russian there are lots of such happenings and this shows that cops jail people not only in RF but in US as well for simply not allowing them to express themselves - like the Gay Rights Parade happened this weekend near Red Square. Hope it feels the needs of rules and understandable.

I am not a lawyer

[rick-day.livejournal.com]

What happened is a group of citizens gather in the Lincoln Memorial, a public place in Washington, D.C. They wanted to protest war.

They were disruptive, but still overall peaceful. Unfortunately, they also taunted and argued with authorities which they have no 'right' to do so.

It is one of the purposes of park police to make sure that everyone enjoys their visit without disruption.

At first, the police are reasonable, and calm. They were willing to show them the place outside the Memorial where protest is protected and allowed.

When the first two were arrested (for failing to obey a lawful order) everything was fine.

The dancing guy (I think he or the brown shirt guy is an Iraq war vet or a Marine or something), well, he should have left, instead of dancing around in a taunting manner and continuing to stare down the policeman who ordered them to leave.

The brown shirt guy was CLEARLY the most out of line, directly interfering with the officer's attempt to handcuff the dancing man. There is no constitutional protections from being stupid around police. He will go to jail.

If this had been a 'permit' issued protest, then the police action would have been out of line, and possible civil right violation occur.

I am not a lawyer, but these protesters were not following allowed protocol. One can't just protest anywhere at any time, without suffering possible consequences.

I've seen police power abuse, and this is not really it.

ETA: I've seen dancing from adults his age and what he was doing was mocking the police by jerking around like a puppet. That was not dancing, in my opinion.

Re: I am not a lawyer

[brockulfsen.livejournal.com]

The protest was about a ban on dancing...

And seems to have demonstrated the problem clearly.

The US (seen from the outside) has always teetered on the brink of being a Police State.

Re: I am not a lawyer

[yes-justice.livejournal.com]

Its Adam Kokesh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kokesh)

Re: I am not a lawyer

[zzerzonat.livejournal.com]

That clearly answer my question. Thank you for explaining. As I supposed this might be done as a part of inside RF propaganda and "information war". Clearly which will be used in election campaign already started by premier Pu. I'd say high tech method.

Re: I am not a lawyer

[dwer.livejournal.com]

I disagree with this strongly. The police cannot threaten arrest for an action that does not break the law. So show me the law that says you can't dance at the Jefferson Memorial.

[drblasphlemy.livejournal.com]

http://www.welovedc.com/2011/05/29/jefferson-memorial-dance-arrests-poorly-handled/

http://adwww2.americanbar.org/SCFJI/Lists/New%20Case%20Summaries/DispForm.aspx?ID=464

[zzerzonat.livejournal.com]

Perfect. As I expected. Small steps of society activists who try to attract people attention to themselves by making a problem where is no problem.

[meus-ovatio.livejournal.com]

This is how Americans advertise their shows. It's called "marketing".

[rick-day.livejournal.com]

to be more precise, it is Public Relations and audience building through phony sympathetic reflex.

meta: manipulation

[eracerhead.livejournal.com]

What you are seeing here is a good old-fashioned traditional expression of American Civil Disobedience right out of Henry David Thoreau.

You intentionally fail to follow a law you feel is unjust and accept the consequences never accepting anything but capitulation by authority. In this case the dancers were well versed in what to and not to do, which is to never give the appearance of physical violence while also failing to cooperate. The arrests were intentional because they gave the peace officers no choice. This will have the effect of an investigation by park police and will wind through the courts. Only time will tell how effective it will be.

Notably, this technique was widely used by the women suffragette movement.

[aelf.livejournal.com]

I think they intended it to be good old-fashioned civil disobedience, but the dancers erred when they resisted arrest. They should have accepted and peaceably allowed the arrests to proceed because their quarrel is not with the park police, but with the laws in place. By resisting, they place everyone at greater physical risk & they make themselves less sympathetic.

Remember, Susan B. Anthony *insisted* she be arrested ("Then I demand that I should be arrested properly.") for voting. She didn't just engage in the disobedience - she complied insistently with the consequences. And the world changed...

[kylinrouge.livejournal.com]

This shit is going viral and the outrage is manufactured.

Here's the deal: National landmarks aren't party zones. The same way you're expected to be cordial in a museum. These places are designed for quiet, peaceful visitation. Just because it's 'public' does not mean it's a free-for-all smorgasbord of flaunting your ~rights~ and the rules are put in place to preserve the peace.

So basically, I agree with rick_day and a_new_machine who said: Many bar large protests from public property, because they ordain that property for a given purpose - here, memorializing someone. To make this work and not be effectively choosing viewpoints or content, they have to bar *all* protests.

[kylinrouge.livejournal.com]

You can't interrupt court proceedings as well even though you are free to attend most of them.

[rick-day.livejournal.com]

manufactured = 100%

this is PR for the guys "TV show" Adam vs The Man, and to pump his FB fan count. PR and ego...what a combo!

[eracerhead.livejournal.com]

Sorry but many of the people there weren't being disruptive.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

I'm sure they'll all be released after the court hearing, maybe a warning by the judge too.

[anfalicious.livejournal.com]

I see the main issues here being the cop unable to inform the people why they may be arrested and then arresting people without telling them *why* they're being arrested, and then they'll probably get done for resisting arrest. Ask yourself how OK you are with authority figures being able to detain you without giving you a reason; I'm not cool with that.

[meus-ovatio.livejournal.com]

Police have never had to give you chapter and verse. That's a myth if there ever was one.

[dreadfulpenny81.livejournal.com]

I'll post here what I posted in another community regarding this video:

The first couple dancing in the video (seen at 1:16) are Medea Benjamin and Tighe Barry. They're high-ranking members of Code Pink, who are notorious for causing disruption. They've interrupted Congressional hearings (one of them had her hands covered in fake blood and got right into Condoleezza Rice's face), they've protested in front of Walter Reed (while calling our troops "terrorists"), and they've attempted to arrest major political figures. One of them just got in trouble for interrupting Netanyahu's speech to Congress. They've also made friends with Hugo Chavez and donated $600,000 to families in Fallujah, Iraq (one of the most highly concentrated terrorist areas in the country at the time of the donation). FYI, making their arrests look like police brutality is practically a hobby for them.

These people disgust me, and I have no respect for them whatsoever. They're not exercising any right for the sake of promoting any freedom for others, they're just being disruptive pieces of shit.

Sorry if my language offends anyone, but these fuckwits from Code Pink were the last thing I wanted to think about or see on Memorial Day. When it comes to the crap they pull, I refuse to keep quiet.

[dwer.livejournal.com]

the whole point of freedom of speech is that it protects ALL speech, not just the speech you like. What they did is far more appropriate for a day to remember the sacrifices soldiers made for this country than sitting on our asses watching baseball and scarfing hot dogs.