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From Whittaker Chambers' review of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged:

From almost any page of Atlas Shrugged, a voice can be heard, from painful necessity, commanding: 'To a gas chamber — go!'


So the filmed version of Atlas Shrugged is at last coming out and will be released on April 15 (get it?) The marketing director has a stunt going where he’s inviting fans to film themselves declaring “I Am John Galt.” Looking over the video responses, it’s striking to note the number of children, some barely old enough to lisp “I am John Galt,” some of them teenagers. No doubt every single one of these youngsters covers the cost of his or her own food, shelter, clothing and education through the labor of his or her own plump little hands. No moochers they!



As I said some time before when I first heard about the movie, it will be very interesting indeed to watch how the train disaster sequence is depicted. Will it truly capture, as the passage in the book does, the essence of Rand’s murderous contempt not just for the poor, but for anyone who isn’t a Randian? She begins with a one of those pious, eyes-to-heaven intros that callous creeps like Rand typically use to introduce a foray into callous creepiness:



It is said that catastrophes are a matter of pure chance, and there were those who would have said that the passengers of the Comet were not guilty or responsible for the thing that happened to them.


Did “those” who said this include Ayn Rand and her followers? Of course not.



… The woman in Roomette 10, Car No.3, was an elderly schoolteacher who had spent her life turning class after class of helpless children into miserable cowards, by teaching them that the will of the majority is the only standard of good and evil, and that a majority may do anything it pleases, that they must not assert their own personalities, but must do as others were doing.

…The man in Drawing Room B, Car No. 4, was a newspaper publisher who believed that men are evil by nature and unfit for freedom, that their basic interests, if left unchecked, are to lie, to rob and murder one another - and, therefore, men must be ruled by means of lies, robbery and murder, which must be made the exclusive privilege of the rules, for the purpose of forcing men to work, teaching them to be moral and keeping them within the bounds of order and justice.

…The man in Bedroom H, Car No. 5, was a businessman who had acquired his business, an ore mine, with the help of a government loan, under the Equalization of Opportunity Bill.

…The woman in Roomette 6, Car no. 8, was a lecturer who believed that, as a consumer, she had "a right" to transportation, whether the railroad people wished to provide it or not.

The man in Roomette 2, Car No. 9, was a professor of economics who advocated the abolition of private property, explaining that intelligence plays no part in industrial production, that man's mind is conditioned by material tools, that anybody can run a factory or a railroad and it's only a matter of seizing the machinery.

The woman in Bedroom D, Car No. 10, was a mother who had put her two children to sleep in the berth above her, carefully tucking them in, protecting them from drafts and jolts; a mother whose husband held a government job enforcing directives, which she defended by saying, 'I don't care, it's only the rich that they hurt. After all, I must think of my children.'

…The man in Bedroom A, Car no. 16, was a humanitarian who had said, 'The men of ability? I do not care what or if they are made to suffer. They must be penalized in order to support the incompetent. Frankly, I do not care whether this is just or not. I take pride in not caring to grant any justice to the able, where mercy to the needy is concerned.'

….These passengers were awake; there was not a man aboard the train who did not share one or more of their ideas.


Reading this, one wonders how Rand would have written about the Triangle Factory disaster, you know, the industrial accident where all those “looters and moochers” who'd been striking for better conditions got burnt up because their bosses had locked them in.

So, how will it be done? How will these individuals’ deaths be rendered palatable to audiences? Will it involve close-ups with voiceovers and flashbacks?

Or, will the film just kind of smooth over that embarrassing-but-pivotal passage, try to pretend it doesn’t exist?

Kind of like Rand’s fans do when they talk about the book to the rest of us?

Crossposted from Thoughtcrimes

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Date: 27/3/11 20:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Erm.......so Atlas Shrugged has a particularly nasty passage in it. Does this mean people who make films of H.P. Lovecraft's writings are raving Jew-hating Ku Kluxers and anyone proposing a film of S&M Stirling's Domination-series are all closet Apartheid-Nazis? It's indisputable that Ms. Rosenbaum the serial-killer admiring welfare cheat had some messed-up ideas but how is putting that into a film any worse than say, making a movie out of the Dune series?

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Date: 27/3/11 20:39 (UTC)
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If workers could be trusted to produce, they wouldn't have had to lock the doors.

You obviously don't know how business works.

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Date: 27/3/11 20:49 (UTC)
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That passage is the penultimate expression of paranoid delusion. Rand just successfully tucked her psychology into a work of fiction and passed it off as philosophy. That's the problem with omniscient narration in fiction: it's just a conduit for madness masquerading as objective story-telling. See also: Heinlein.

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Date: 27/3/11 21:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
And Palahniuk to some degree.

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From: [identity profile] sandwichwarrior.livejournal.com
At least Heinlein could, you know...

write.

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Date: 28/3/11 02:02 (UTC)
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Yeah, but he had such a "dirty" mind towards the end, it was as close to porn that I could justify reading ;)

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Date: 27/3/11 20:52 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylinrouge.livejournal.com
I treat fiction as fiction, not some weird self-insert fantasy. By the same logic people seriously believe in Randian philosophy, you could claim that Heinlein and others seriously want there to be a totalitarian dictatorship in the future.

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Date: 27/3/11 20:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Not to mention that S&M Stirling believes that Afrikaners can take over the world and end the existence of Homo sapiens as we knew it.

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*giggles*

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Date: 27/3/11 21:10 (UTC)
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If I saw filming for his little stunt, I'd love to wait for someone to say "I am John Galt!" and run over and shove them and shout "Get off my sidewalk!"

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Date: 29/3/11 04:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezer-also.livejournal.com
I'm not sure I want to read the book to get this.....
Are you saying it's not like saying "I am Spartacus" ?

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What's your favorite book?

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Date: 27/3/11 21:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malasadas.livejournal.com
Ayn Rand makes for lousy philosophy, and lousy books and almost certainly a lousy movie...and anyone who is fan of hers past the age of 23 probably needs some form of intervention from his friends, assuming he has any.

In other news: Elvis is dead, a bear shits in the woods, the Pope is Catholic and water is wet.

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Date: 27/3/11 22:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreadfulpenny81.livejournal.com
(Edited first comment because I can't just edit)
You can take ideas from works of fiction but if you choose for your life to revolve around them or to take something more away from them than just an idea or a kernel of anything, you'll end up more disappointed than some of these poor Twilight fans who think guys like Edward Cullen actually exist.

By the way, paft, did you see Death of a President? Just curious...

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Date: 27/3/11 22:14 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
Especially that one from the middle east. Its followers just call it THE. Sometimes The Holy. You can find it online, but often its seen in the form of a bible.

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Date: 27/3/11 22:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devil-ad-vocate.livejournal.com
Objectivists, you are entering a world of pain.

Rand and Ford

Date: 27/3/11 22:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-sadek.livejournal.com
A few months back, I took a peek at the writings of Henry Ford to look for his infamous anti-Semitism. What I encountered read remarkably like Ayn Rand. I wonder if Rand received some of her inspiration from Ford. (Pardon the repetition. I have said this at this community before.)

Although Ford renounced his earlier work entitled "The International Jew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Jew)," there are some aspects of his writing that would resonate with an audience that favored racial purity. One aspect that comes to mind is how Ford's musical aesthetic resonates with a Germanic puritanism.

As for the baby Galts, please forgive the indiscretions of youth. It takes time to cultivate an appreciation for higher literary values.

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Date: 27/3/11 22:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airiefairie.livejournal.com
At first I read it as "Rand and Fnord" and I was like yippie! =)

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Date: 27/3/11 22:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] htpcl.livejournal.com
Could you use cut, please?

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Date: 27/3/11 22:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jerseycajun.livejournal.com
I'm glad I don't have to be an Objectivist in order to be libertarian.
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Date: 28/3/11 00:47 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-rukh.livejournal.com
I do love this diagram even if the design choices make me want to punch kittens.

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Date: 28/3/11 03:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kris-schnee.livejournal.com
The one-sentence review you quoted says more about its writer than about the story itself. Rand personally, and her philosophy, and the writing quality of "Atlas Shrugged", have a lot of problems, but advocating violence against innocent people isn't one of them. You want communism and socialism over in the other department, for that. (Now, callous gloating at people when they fail because of their alleged moral faults, that you can fairly accuse her of.)

I'm prepared to be disappointed by the movie, because I thought it was in the hands of people who understood the story's faults and were planning to apply basic storytelling rules to it. ("Show, don't tell" being #1.) It looks like it's going to be at least two movies long, raising the chance of it retaining the infamously long rants and other unnecessary material. There is a good story in there, just buried under mistakes.

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Date: 28/3/11 13:28 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Yeah, there's only the "Ubermenschen collapse society of the collectivist Untermenschen" plot. No advocacy of mass murder and reconstructing society in their own likeness and in their own image there. No sir.....

All that needs to be understood

Date: 28/3/11 08:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tcpip.livejournal.com
Ayn Rand is L. Ron Hubbard in drag.

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Date: 28/3/11 13:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Does that insult Objectivism or Scientology more? I've still not figured out the answer to that question.....

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Date: 28/3/11 16:32 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mybodymycoffin.livejournal.com
Dog carcass in alley this morning, tire tread on burst stomach. This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save Us!"...

...and I'll look down, and whisper,

"No".
(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af118/harharorly/Reactions/ayn-rand-wtl_big.jpg)

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Date: 28/3/11 20:18 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] debergerac.livejournal.com
i'll bypass the usual drollery and and go right to the headdesk.

saves time that way.

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