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[dv8nation.livejournal.com]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11843792

Seems a bishop in the Orthodox church has been charged with molesting kids. Given how this sort of scandal has hurt the Catholic Church in recent years do you think the Orthodox church will react in a more open fashion or could we be looking at the tip of the iceberg in a similar but whole new scandal?

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[dv8nation.livejournal.com]

You've got a guy living in Vatican City who is called "the leader of the world's Catholics." Monolithic is fitting.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Not so curiously, that goes to the first point about cultural/administrative differences. Orthodoxy began in the Hellenic half of the Roman Empire which was far more multi-cultural but solidly ruled by Greek overlords, Roman Catholicism in the Latin-speaking Western Roman Empire. Both sides developed thus interesting vocabulary, with the Muslims adding Ferenji into the mix based on an attempt to render Frank into Arabic.....

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

They call him what they will, for most of Church history the Church's rules have been honored in the breach, not the observance.

[a-new-machine.livejournal.com]

Agreed there. I just get frustrated at Catholic defenders who say that what they got hit with was unfair. I heard it a lot from parents and teachers at school. What's unfair is paying a stipend for a confessed sex offender who raped everything from little boys to 9-month-old infants and allowing him to roam Ireland, and even live with children, without warning anyone. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliver_Us_from_Evil_(2006_film))

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Oh, yes, that is entirely inexcusable. It would be heavily ironic if any of these men were the Catholic version of Hellfire and Brimstone preachers in my denomination but find themselves going to the Other Side in the afterlife for this kind of hypocrisy. Nothing done by the Church hierarchy here is excusable, my only quibble is that there's a slight issue with singling one out instead of punishing it equally for all denominations.

BTW, the bolding's not to be condescending, it's to make my view on this clear as far as this discussion now and in the past. In my opinion nothing's worse than the parties that seek to abrogate right and wrong for everyone else shamelessly hiding and aiding and abetting crimes.

[a-new-machine.livejournal.com]

Yep, we agree. /thread?

Yup.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

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[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

This isn't about the U.S.

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

Lol. Those poor papists. How dare we condemn them for covering up kid diddling. Leave the papists alone! fart fart fart

[dv8nation.livejournal.com]

Those groups aren't on the same level as the RCC nor do they have the history. So yeah, it makes bigger headlines because the RCC has bee around longer. Putting all that on anti-Catholic bias is unreasonable.

[dv8nation.livejournal.com]

You're going to have to expand on that comment because I don't get what you're driving at.

[geezer-also.livejournal.com]

Not to be argumentative, however, I'm not sure what you base your assertion on. The cases that make news, there is an age difference. We just had a case reported Friday, which is typical for "Baptists". Older teacher, high school girl.
So, since we only know about what is reported I'm not sure what you mean exactly, unless you are looking at it from a legal stand point that underage is underage.

[dv8nation.livejournal.com]

People using this post to gripe about Anti-Catholic sentiment doesn't mean kids being molested isn't the central issue.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

The most spectacular example is a Medieval one, of a noble who wanted beef on Friday when it was already prohibited so he threw a cow in the lake and called it fish. Essentially what the Church says is one thing, what Catholics IRL do is quite another. Always been that way, always will be unless they develop full-fledged mind control.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

The problem again is that A Baptist pedophile is no less evil than a Catholic one, but only the Catholics are singled out for the same evil. Either it's evil no matter who does it, or it's simply using this as a pretext to bash Catholics while ignoring it's a much deeper rot than in Catholicism alone.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

No, but it is about Orthodoxy, which is Apostolic same as Catholicism despite that adults raping children is evil regardless of denominations, but it seems that some ministers doing that is more evil than other ministers doing the exact same evil.

[anosognosia.livejournal.com]

If it were, we would expect people's complaints to have some substantial relation to the phenomenon of sexual abuse, which they don't. If they didn't simply because people were misinformed about that phenomenon, then we would expect people to correct their objections when they become informed, which they don't. Therefore, etc.

[anosognosia.livejournal.com]

"fart fart fart"

Usually you try masquerade your contributions as coherent, A+ for honesty.

[anosognosia.livejournal.com]

"The fact that other organizations are getting less press for their terrible crimes says that we're being too soft on them..."

Excellent. Now if you examine the previous comments by underlankers and myself, you'll find an explanation for this fact.

[telemann.livejournal.com]

I'm curious how many private schools are operated by Baptist/Pentecostal types of churches versus Catholic schools. I don't know of any Orthodox operated schools here in New York, but I really don't know. Maybe it's a sheer numbers thing, with so many Catholic schools?

[a-new-machine.livejournal.com]

Like I said, I think that's part of it. The other part is that the RCC is bigger, population-wise, than any other single church in the US. If there was a crime spree against blondes, we'd probably hear about it before the crime spree against albino left-handed women.

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

I think you're stretching to attack a different issue though. Maybe you should post about that issue. How the Canadians deal with their new sex scandal though is this post.

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

So you agree with the rest of what I said.

[the-rukh.livejournal.com]

I don't think that it will hurt them in the same way. The Catholic Church was hurt because it wasn't just one case, it was wide-spread.

However, if they treat this one the same way the Catholic church did, then yes it could in fact hurt them. The way its already out in the open though makes me doubt that's going to happen. They'd have to be drooling morons.

The fact he's already been in police custody points the other direction though. It might hurt them more than such a thing normally would because of the similarities with how the Catholic Church handled it, but I also think because of how everyone saw that play out they'll be a lot smarter about handling it.

So I say no, it's not going to hurt them very much.

[dv8nation.livejournal.com]

Ask Underlankers to stay on topic? Good luck with that, pal.