ext_306469 ([identity profile] paft.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] talkpolitics2010-03-23 08:17 pm

Violent Words. Violent Acts. It's Not Rocket Science.

Mike Vanderboegh, of Pinson, Ala., former head of the Alabama Constitutional Militia, put out a call on Friday for modern "Sons of Liberty" to break the windows of Democratic Party offices nationwide in opposition to health care reform. Since then, vandals have struck several offices, including the Sedgwick County Democratic Party headquarters in Wichita. 13 Wham.com

The call from the right for liberals to “do what we say and you won’t get hurt” has been turned up just a notch. In reaction to the passage of health reform, a right wing blogger named Mike Vanderboegh called on his readers to break the windows of Democrats. Shortly afterwards, several Democratic Party offices in different cities were targeted with bricks flung through their windows. Mr. Vanderboegh seems positively exhilarated by the response to his message:
"Wake up and understand what is happening in this country. You need to start listening to people who you think you didn't have to pay any attention to, because sooner or later they will get your attention.”

Indeed. In fact, someone out there is so hungry for attention that someone phoned in to the office of Louise Slaughter threatening violence against the children of lawmakers who support healthcare reform.

Imagine that. A blogger posts a call to vandalism on his blog – and vandalism takes place! It’s as if words typed into the ether actually have some sort of meaning and lead to action in the offline world!

Vanderboegh, of course, insists that he’s not promoting “actual violence.” “How ambiguous is it if I say break windows? Am I saying kill people, absolutely not,” he insists.



But you see, here’s the thing about blogging -- readers are able to see, not just the message of the blogger but, through the comments section, how that message is processed and interpreted.

And looking through the comments posted on Mr. Vanderboegh’s blog does not indicate much reluctance about upping the ante if smashing windows doesn’t work. Here are a few of the comments posted by his fans in reaction to what he calls “the window war.” I should point out that the number of comments on his blog are not high, and these were not at all difficult to find:

“Hmmm, no demopub office here, far as I know. I'll think of something...”

“One article talks about a lack of notes, the other, a lack of injuries...hmmm”

“Today it was bricks, tomorrow it will be ???? The fuse has been lit.”

“We need to track these highly respectable representatives (cough) down to their residences.
Where we can then present them a Hallmark card (cough) kindly requesting they consider the Contitution when they vote..
Rocks and bricks are optional but torchs, pitch forks, tar and feathers are encouraged!!”

“As we know, our society has its roots in broken windows - not to mention tar-and-feathers (always horrible, often fatal) and bullets!”

“I wonder if the brain dead socialist in Washington would get the idea if it happened a lot more often. 
Would a wrist rocket and some ball bearings help get the idea across?”

“I bought a pistol belt and load bearing harness at the Army/Navy surplus store today. Haven't worn one since 1981. Fits real nice.”

“Good thing 223 ammo is still cheep and available. just bought another 1000 rds for 'target' pratice. these clowns are the best gun and ammo salesman in the world.”

“4" PVC Pipe
End Cap
Portable Compressed Air Tank
Hose
Pipe Fittings
Valve
Expanding Foam for Sabot 
Brick

Paint, Scope, Laser Rangefinder, and compensator optional.

Use of above parts left to the imagination of the reader.”

“They're all whining about bricks......

Just wait until it turns to bullets.”


But hey, this is all just a bunch of blog commenters right? It couldn’t possibly have an impact in the real world. It's all just posted to upset liberals.

Right?

Well, it has had an impact in the real world. Strange as it may seem to many people, those supposedly “meaningless” comments sections on a blog (and a small comments section at that) actually reflect the views of human beings who exist outside of the Internet and are capable of acting in the offline world.

Literal people, not virtual people, who are capable of reading Mr. Vanderboegh's blog, literally hefting a literal brick, and literally hurling it through a literal window.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 03:51 pm (UTC)(link)
No it's about being all "i'm a liberal i'm a progressive, freedom for everyone - fuck freedom of speech when I don't agree with it"

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 03:51 pm (UTC)(link)
that war on terror doesn't seem to be going too well

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 03:52 pm (UTC)(link)
had this happened in the united states, in what way would the first amendment have been violated?

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:01 pm (UTC)(link)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_a_President

On Air America, talk show host Randi Rhodes recommended doing to Bush what Michael Corleone, in ``The Godfather, Part II," does to his brother. ``Like Fredo," she said, ``somebody ought to take him out fishing and phuw!" -- then imitated the sound of a gunshot. In the Guardian, a leading British daily, columnist Charlie Brooker issued a plea: ``John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr. -- where are you now that we need you?"

Dude in the 8 years of Bush there was so much shit you'd need two post just for links and quotes. And I understand that you forgot how left was making fun of and gloating at all the unprecedented security measures implemented by secret service each time Bush traveled somewhere.

[identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Wait, do you really want to argue that there hasn't been an anti-American speech in America?

Because really if your ethos justifies why Canadians did what they did, then how can you ever condemn the mostly non-violent Tea Party protests?

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
So you think that Moore, Code Pink and others like them define the democratic party? I'm just curious.

[identity profile] squidb0i.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:04 pm (UTC)(link)
No, but apparently you want to claim that I do.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Learned to read first. After you do that, please discover website http://www.google.com and search for Bush should be hanged.

[identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:07 pm (UTC)(link)
'And last month we had Sarah Palin reveal she used Canadian health services while growing up in Alaska. '

You do know that that was before the socialized their medical care right? Time isn't a static system where everything that existed today stood in the past as well.

[identity profile] mrbogey.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank God for our rights being codified by law. If it wasn't for that saving grace the left would be real bastards.

"We cherish the first amendment. It helps ensure that we have the freedom to speak our mind. But luckily we're not legally bound to obey its spirit so if you don't shut up we're going to firebomb your house."

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
So it's not an issue of morals but just letters in the book of laws?

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:15 pm (UTC)(link)
the democratic party doesn't have all that much definition to begin with. it just kind of is. it's no secret that the conservative punditry industry is about a jillion times more huge and powerful than anything else in comparison. the names i gave you very much define the republican party in contrast.

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:17 pm (UTC)(link)
in what way was the morality violated? she chose to cancel the engagement of her own free will.

do you believe people don't have the right to protest that which they find objectionable? it seems morally bankrupt to expect citizens of a country ann coulter openly mocks to tolerate her presence without so much as a word as a show of respect to someone who would show them none.

it's her fault for expecting nobody there to know who she really is.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes because Vermont secession movement is totally right wing movement.

How about radio talk host calling for assassination of Bush
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/12/153908.shtml

Liberals don't believe in 2nd amendment, they believe in firebombing.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)
You do understand that you just used the excuse for which you constantly bashed Tea Party.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Protesting is one thing... she canceled because security advised her it was not safe to appear.
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/always+bush+league+schools+Coulter+contends/2720460/story.html

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
really? in what way am i legitimizing a tiny fringe extremist group with mainstream national support and funding? i don't recall msnbc holding nationwide rallies for the dastardly michael moore or code pink or lol peta.

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
she canceled

...of her own free will then. glad we agree.

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)
the aclu is notoriously conservative like that.

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:39 pm (UTC)(link)
not that i'm surprised that you're a hypocrite or anything but it's cute for something like an ann coulter speaking engagement in a foreign country giving you cause to invoke the spirit of law and human rights rather than the letter, yet god forbid anybody ask for anything not specifically spelled out in the constitution if it goes against your theocratic partisanship.

in no way was she barred from saying or doing as she pleased. if someone did something to her, that would obviously be on the head of the perpetrator. it's not canada's fault she's a coward nonetheless. if what she had to say was really so important she wouldn't have let a little implied threat of violence that some of us live with every day get in the way of her noble patriotic message.

you really should work on finding people with backbones to represent your causes.

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Nope no ratios.
Yes I remember the two guys being arrested for planning to rob a gun-shop then dress up in all white kill 88 blacks and cut off head off 14 and drive to the inauguration and kill Obama.

I also remember movie made about killing Bush, book written about killing Bush, posters and arts made about killing Bush, t-shirts made about killing Bush, bumper stickers about killing Bush, radio-talk hosts calling for assassination of Bush...

And to quote Democrat Kentucky governor Steve Beshear
“When I mention that Democrats are problem solvers, I can think of only one Republican who can be a problem solver — that is Vice President Dick Cheney if he would just take George on a hunting trip,”

[identity profile] merig00.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)
because of security threat? because he life could be in danger?

[identity profile] mcpreacher.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)
400% increase means nothing to you? and you are aware that this same 400% believed that criticizing ol' george in any way was treason, yes?

also most reasonable people would agree that there is no such thing as a liberal politician in kentucky.

[identity profile] fizzyland.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:42 pm (UTC)(link)
That's why I asked - I don't really keep track of brick throwing incidents.

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