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Leaks Suggest Trump’s Own Team Is Alarmed By His Conduct

"...A brooding commander in chief, wandering the White House alone in a bathrobe at night, watching too much cable television and venting his frustrations through angry tweets."

I know this sounds a bit too desperate from some people, but these are shaping up to become desperate times indeed. The thing is, as disparaging about science as he may be, in fact medical science might have a certain higher authority over the POTUS and the ability to stop him if necessary - by declaring him insane.

See, protests are a nice thing - people speaking their mind, standing up to authoritarianism and all that jazz. On the other hand, anti-Trump protesters may be wasting their breath, and indeed if they start to get too angry or disorderly that will be playing into Trump's hands as a would-be dictator. Fortunately, the world-wide Women's March was a peaceful affair.

Trump seems intent on causing trouble (with his latest gestures), and he has shrewdly tapped into, or created, a general division and discontent for his "popularity", even though everything he does is motivated by transparent self-interest. I would classify him as a delusional narcissistic megalomaniac with a lot of charisma, which is an extremely dangerous blend for a POTUS. The idea of the building of the wall for example, coming from a man who has some knowledge of building, is especially nuts on three counts. 1) It is an impossibly huge building project. 2) There is no chance Mexico would pay for it. 3) Since the invention of ropes, ladders, ramps, cranes, tunnels, planes and boats no wall along such a long border will keep people out (it will instead create a great business for dangerous criminal traffickers). The idea comes out of Trump's narcissistic delusions; he wants a historical monument to his own ego that might be seen from outer space.

More evidence for his delusional narcissism came when he lost the argument on the size of the inauguration crowd. He is certifiably mad enough not to be a POTUS - but we already knew that, didn't we. So if scientists (and psychologists) are as concerned about the safety of their country and the world as much as they may be about their research project funding under this anti-scientific new administration, perhaps they should not stand by and leave it to protesters, marches, armies of lawyers and politicians. Impeachment takes too long. Have him psychologically examined before it's too late.

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Date: 9/2/17 20:58 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
Yeah, keep hoping.

He's the president. Deal with it.

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Date: 10/2/17 08:27 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mikeyxw.livejournal.com
It really shouldn't happen either. For better or worse, Trump won the presidential election according to the rules. Removing him for psychological reasons isn't a really good precedence or how a democracy should work.

So far, the balance of powers is holding up nicely and I fully expect it will continue to do so. It's not that President Trump is without power, but there are certainly some limits and others who collectively have even more power... and also understand how to use it better than the group of novices in the administration. Impeachment always an option of course. It should also be made clear that if he illegally starts a war, he'll be sent to the Hague to be imprisoned until he dies of old age while awaiting a trial like so many other criminals before him.

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Date: 10/2/17 14:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
If the Left persists in this kind of magical thinking, Trump will win in a Nixon-esque landslide in 2020.

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Date: 10/2/17 15:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
The same way I've felt since Trump won the nomination.

Deeply ambivalent.

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Date: 10/2/17 14:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvdovz.livejournal.com
The Left? Come again (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-erratic-first-week-was-among-the-most-alarming-in-history/2017/01/27/c6405144-e4b9-11e6-a453-19ec4b3d09ba_story.html?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.4056198edf61)?

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Date: 10/2/17 14:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luzribeiro.livejournal.com
Like I said a while ago (http://talk-politics.livejournal.com/2177447.html?thread=152358823#t152358823), we can't allow some pesky facts to get in the way of a perfectly crafted partisan narrative, can we?

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Date: 10/2/17 15:46 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
FWIW, there aren't many credentials more likely to scream "left-leaning establishment Democratic Party partisan" than "Washington Post columnist." Marcus's column is a hit piece that could be rewritten with the same facts and different tone and become a paen to Trumpian triumphalism and have exactly the same believability. All it lacks is the ominous minor key soundtrack.

But, let's put that to one side.

Sure, there are plenty of conservatives who are not fans of Trump or his methods. Some are still appalled that the man was nominated. #neverTrump was a right wing thing. I was clearly one of those who wore that mantle proudly. There are even those who still actively oppose Trump. I am more ambivalent about that, but I think it is a defensible position to have and one that I may well embrace, depending on his behavior.

But, peddling the idea that he is cuckoo crazy, that his is some kind of existential threat to the republic, a fanged, bloody clawed, cloven hooved fascist avatar bent on immanentizing the Apocalypse, is something that I have only seen on the Facebook pages of my liberal friends. Frankly, I don't trust one word of the HuffPo article. Unverifiable leaks are just so much gossip and the content smacks of sour grapes, backroom backstabbing and general mendaciousness or fabulism.

None of that means Trump isn't a troubling person to have running the country. Nixon was a troubling person to have running the country. Nixon also elicited a lot sneering disdain from elite opinion-makers. He also won 60% of the popular vote in 1972. So, what I am saying is, be careful, lefties. A lot of people on the fence about Trump see your over the top rhetoric and are not fooled persuaded.

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Date: 10/2/17 14:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamville-bg.livejournal.com
I wasn't aware that Jason Chaffetz is of the Left. You learn a new thing every day.

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Date: 10/2/17 15:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
I wasn't aware Jason Chaffetz thought Donald Trump was crazy.

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Date: 10/2/17 17:19 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamville-bg.livejournal.com
Don't know about crazy, but he does want to check his mental health.

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Date: 10/2/17 17:49 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] policraticus.livejournal.com
You see, this is exactly the kind of thing I am talking about. That kind of sloppy argument is winning Trump support.

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Date: 10/2/17 20:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamville-bg.livejournal.com
Is it? I thought it was the elites' disconnect from the masses.

Speaking of sloppy arguments, you're moving the goalposts. First you say the left persists in magical thinking. Then when it's demonstrated to you that it's not just the left but the right persists in that too, you suddenly craft a strawman "they think he's crazy", where it's not what they think he is. They think he's temperamentally unfit for the position he's occupying. So yeah, don't presume to lecture me about sloppy argumentation.

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Date: 11/2/17 00:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telemann.livejournal.com
Sloppy argument is winning Trump support? Sure isn't showing up in polls. OH yeah. (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/318433-poll-trumps-approval-rating-continues-to-slide) the the polls are rigged... (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-oreilly-factor-the-polls-are-absolutely-rigged/)

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