[identity profile] rick-day.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] talkpolitics
We all talk about individualism and not stereotyping people based on their color, creed, orientation or looks, but sometimes....

well, let's start with this interesting story:

GOP registration worker charged with voter fraud

By Michael Isikoff, NBC News

A campaign worker linked to a controversial Republican consulting firm has been arrested in Virginia and charged with throwing voter registration forms into a dumpster.

The suspect, Colin Small, 31, was described by a local law enforcement official as a "supervisor" in a Republican Party financed operation to register voters in Rockingham County in rural Virginia, a key swing state in the Nov. 6 election. He was arrested after a local business owner in the same Harrisonburg, Va., shopping center where the local GOP campaign headquarters is located spotted Small tossing a bag into the trash, according to a statement Thursday by the Rockingham County Sheriff’s office. The bag was later found to contain eight voter registration forms, it said. The arrest was reported Thursday night by WWBT-TV in Richmond.

More blah blah at the link. So what does this Mister Supervisor look like?





OK so I erred. Safe for work? Ugh, you be the judge :D



Rural Virginians are so afraid of Obama that they will go to jail just give a Utah Mormon the country to destroy. Behold your base, GOP.

Behold.

ETA: I forgot the obligatory 'my opinion' part. Let me pontificate on the actions of Southern White males with very short hair. While actual damage was not apparant in this case, the implication that people who 'look like him' would risk prison to get out a President who does *not* look like him, or share his values shines like the sun on his oily forhead. If anything, this young man should be fighting the GOP. They are the party of MINE, RIGHT NOW.

Or not, he may be a nice guy who had  redneck paternal peers. Seven felonies is tough for anyone to ovecome. Perhaps there is a reasonable explanation, even though it seems an unreasonable action.

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Date: 21/10/12 04:39 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oslo.livejournal.com
No, because I didn't rant on about stereotypes and other tangents for some unknown reason.

I was specifically responding to your complaint that the OP didn't have "enough substance" to consider the issue. In this, it is like your own post.

I absolutely didn't do that. There were in fact 500+ examples shown, not one. So, yes, you are the one lying here.

Your post didn't "show" 500 examples of voter fraud. If we're thinking of the same one - it cited a single study by a single group with a partisan agenda that couldn't come up with more than a few dozen instances of "voter fraud" that were even worth forwarding to investigators - to say nothing of actual, proven voter fraud.

You should stop lying.

Yes, it's not enough. Catching the people who are breaking the law is important too. That's what I wrote about in my post. This post is not about trying to do something to catch people who are throwing away voter registrations, which happens with both parties, btw.

You're losing track of the thread here. I wasn't so much responding to the OP as asking you whether we ought to do everything possible to stop the kinds of things the OP described from happening. Your response was to say, well, it's illegal already, so what more do you want - and that's what I responded to in my comment previous to this one. The OP's focus doesn't have anything to do with how I respond to your response, so kindly pay attention.

I get that you don't care about either voter fraud or this kind of problem (which isn't voter fraud), so I guess we can just move on.

Where did I ever say that? I'm not apathetic about voter fraud; I just care about responding to it in a realistic and practical way that's appropriate for our system. That means I care about (and pay attention to) evidence that measures being taken stand to bar more people from the polls than there are cases of voter fraud to prevent. That means I want to see verified empirical evidence of what kinds of voter fraud there are, how much of it is there is, and what means are likely to be most effective against it, before I go on a completely uninformed crusade to stamp it out by whatever means seem logical at the time.

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Date: 22/10/12 07:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
I was specifically responding to your complaint that the OP didn't have "enough substance" to consider the issue. In this, it is like your own post.

Then you misunderstood either my post, my comment on this post, or both. I said this post didn't have enough substance to know what the hell he was complaining about other than bald white guys from Virginia.

Your post didn't "show" 500 examples of voter fraud.

Sure, it did. Registering in two states is fraudulent, even if it's not worthwhile enough to prosecute. You keep trying to misrepresent the evidence presented. And by misrepresent, I mean, you're lying about it.

Your response was to say, well, it's illegal already, so what more do you want - and that's what I responded to in my comment previous to this one.

And you didn't answer the question. It's illegal, the guy was caught, and I presume will be prosecuted. Great. What more do you want? With the type of fraud I've talked about in the past, no one is catching them or prosecuting them, so something more/else needs to be done.

I'm not apathetic about voter fraud; I just care about responding to it in a realistic and practical way that's appropriate for our system.

Well, that's not how you come across.

I want to see verified empirical evidence of what kinds of voter fraud there are, how much of it is there is, and what means are likely to be most effective against it

That's not the rational way to do it. It's better to analyze what are the possible ways voter fraud can occur, how likely are they to happen undetected, and what can we do to minimize that risk while still accomplishing the goals of anonymous voting by every citizen.

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Date: 22/10/12 23:29 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gunslnger.livejournal.com
Close enough, relatively speaking.

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